Andrew Tilson
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Does anyone know the exterior dimensions of the 3.4? also was wondering how much it weighs. I am researching it as a possible future powerplant
Specs on Gen III motor
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wuzzzer
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I believe if you got to www.v8sho.com it'll give you all the info you need!
Andrew Tilson
Member
I checked there first but could not find the exterior dimensions of the motor, which is really the most important thing. I need to know if it will physically fit into the car. in theory it should hehe
Andrew Tilson
Member
can you measure the 2 seperately please? I need the motor dimensions more, since I won't be using that particular tranny, but something very similar that probably takes up an equivalent amount of space
Thanks a lot
Thanks a lot
Ok I will measure the motor that doesn't have the tranny. 
The V8 is approximately 30" long, 26" high and 26" wide this is without the intake. Weight is approximately 330 lbs without accessories.
<small>[ May 17, 2003, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: SHOZ123 ]</small>
The V8 is approximately 30" long, 26" high and 26" wide this is without the intake. Weight is approximately 330 lbs without accessories.
<small>[ May 17, 2003, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: SHOZ123 ]</small>
Andrew Tilson
Member
how tall is the motor with the intake? anytbody know?
thanks a lot I really appreciate it
thanks a lot I really appreciate it
Andrew Tilson
Member
ok cool thanks a lot that was most helpful. I wanted to get an idea of how it would fit before I had one sitting here that I couldn't use
dugdog99
New Member
what are you planning on putting it into?
Andrew Tilson
Member
eventually it will come to reside in my Gen II, hopefully no one is going to flame me to badly for this project but it is going to happen it is just a matter of time.
I plan to put the gen 3 motor in backed by the AWD system out of a jaguar X-type. I know the parts aren't entirely compatible. I don't really care. I also plan to turbo it as well.
Where I am going to find space for all this stuff, I don't really know yet. just doing some research. I know it isn't worth the money to build. I also don't care.
It will take me a lot of time before any of this is ready, can't even really start building any of it til early next year. I am moving in december and don't want to have my car dismantled all over my yard trying to get it to work. Once I have the proper storage facilities I will start working on it.
I think I am going to get an entire X-type to do it right. then I can part out the rest. kind of a shame to destroy a $35K car for the sake of a $4k one. but it is what I want. I need the v8 for the sound alone, as well as the minor weight savings is good too. I am still in the planning stages of this project, and would welcome any constructive advice that anyone has to offer.
I plan to put the gen 3 motor in backed by the AWD system out of a jaguar X-type. I know the parts aren't entirely compatible. I don't really care. I also plan to turbo it as well.
Where I am going to find space for all this stuff, I don't really know yet. just doing some research. I know it isn't worth the money to build. I also don't care.
It will take me a lot of time before any of this is ready, can't even really start building any of it til early next year. I am moving in december and don't want to have my car dismantled all over my yard trying to get it to work. Once I have the proper storage facilities I will start working on it.
I think I am going to get an entire X-type to do it right. then I can part out the rest. kind of a shame to destroy a $35K car for the sake of a $4k one. but it is what I want. I need the v8 for the sound alone, as well as the minor weight savings is good too. I am still in the planning stages of this project, and would welcome any constructive advice that anyone has to offer.
dugdog99
New Member
i can identify with your desire to do such a thing, after i get my car payed off, i'd love to drop the engine into some little two seater like a miata. i think it'd be totally sweet to drop the v8 into a little 2500 lb car. that would be a lot of work though, especially trying to get the car to maintain traction and everything. hopefully by the time i get the car payed off supercharging will become an affordable option and i can do that. that's all way down the road though, let us know how your project goes. it may take a lot of time and money, but atleast you know you'll have the only car like yours on the road.
Andrew Tilson
Member
well I want to turbo the car, but using the 6 seemed to easy, so then I wanted the 8. then I decided that a 500hp taurus that all it can do is spin tires. (as much fun as that must be) so then I needed an awd system. since the jag comes with a duratec motor. its tranny will bolt to it. the suspension stuff I can make work. but mostly I just want to build something so off the wall and weird, but at the same time be the coolest thing I have ever seen.
XLSuruaT
New Member
IMO, you should drop the v8 in an x-type. Half of the work (awd being mounted) is already done thumb
f150fan
SHO Member
Sounds cool but I wouldn't EVER use this motor in any project car!!! This motor is very expensive to buy used and they aren't doing so well! rant These motors seem to have problems all over...First the cam problem, and then some new problems are being reported like carbon has been building up on the intake valves as ford created a goofy intake system not like the 1st and 2nd Gen SHO's. There has been a case of this in Michigan where there were soo much carbon on the intake valves they must have stuck and collided with the piston. Also, it looks like there maybe something wrong with the valve seats or valve locks...something Kirk is looking into in now two cars!
I would hate to spend all that money and then have something catastrophic happen to the motor! I would invest somewhere else!!!
I would hate to spend all that money and then have something catastrophic happen to the motor! I would invest somewhere else!!!
Andrew Tilson
Member
of course it wouls be easier to mount the v8 in the x-type. that's why I am not doing it
the motor isn't too expensive to buy used. not to me anyway.
And of course you would invest elsewhere, that's why it is fun for me because no one else is crazy enough to build one. I will have a truly one of a kind vehicle. basically I need to challenge myself. the turbo isn't too difficult to create a system for. if I wanted to just do that my boss says we could fab up everything and have it mounted inside of a month. he says the fabbing is easy enough. then we would just have to tune it. but I think that that is much too simple. and so I would rather create something weird and different. if I blow the motor, then I will build another. if I can't build another then I will try something else. should be a fun trip. and when I can get started on it I will let everyone know how its going. and I intend to document it with pics for all to see.
the motor isn't too expensive to buy used. not to me anyway.
And of course you would invest elsewhere, that's why it is fun for me because no one else is crazy enough to build one. I will have a truly one of a kind vehicle. basically I need to challenge myself. the turbo isn't too difficult to create a system for. if I wanted to just do that my boss says we could fab up everything and have it mounted inside of a month. he says the fabbing is easy enough. then we would just have to tune it. but I think that that is much too simple. and so I would rather create something weird and different. if I blow the motor, then I will build another. if I can't build another then I will try something else. should be a fun trip. and when I can get started on it I will let everyone know how its going. and I intend to document it with pics for all to see.
Other than the cam fiasco, which is permanently fixable, the rest is just maintenance. The carbon problem is only there if people stick to the 100k tune up schedule. I feel 50-60k is the time to put new plugs and clean the intake. Also rotate the coils and check the wire harness. The V8 motor is one of the least problematic I've ever had.
f150fan
SHO Member
The carbon problem your refering to is the Intake Manifold and yes...I do agree that you should clean that out every 60k miles. Here is what I am referring to from v8sho
"Sunday, 3/30/03 I got a phone call from Ray’s in Detroit. Ray was upset because he had a chance to tear into the “Odd Failure” and figure out what happened. To understand what happen first we may find it helpful to have a small lesson in SHO anatomy.
All SHOs have 4 valves, 2 intake valves and 2 exhaust valves. One vital difference is how and where they manage the introduction of fuel. Both engines have a butterfly / intake system that has one runner for low RPM and another for high RPM. In the case of the V6 both runners match to the head into a common runner where the fuel injector sits just above the two intake valves which always both see fuel and always open.
The V8 arrangement is very different. The butterfly that opens the secondary intake path is just above the head, in the lower intake manifold as opposed to the far end of the intake path. The fuel injector sits just under the butterfly location in the lower intake manifold in the low RPM intake runner. The two intake ports stay independent so the low RPM valve is always “wet” – that is it sees fuel, while the high RPM valve is always “dry”; it never sees any fuel.
The dry secondary high RPM port with its own valve still opens every cycle but because it has a closed butterfly just above it, it is a dead back-water during low RPM operation.
Some of you may remember the phrase “Italian Tune-up” from the 1960’s. One might take a city use car and get it out on the highway and run it close to red line for a while. Theory and experience was to decarbon the intake valves with fuel, (which acts as a mild solvent).
Based on Ray’s teardown the dry intake valve carbons up. It never sees fuel, never gets cleaned. Ray thinks that in time (V8 SHO had 84k) the valve stem can build sufficient deposits to slow or impair its action. In this case the buildup of carbon was enough so the valves fail to retract even with spring pressure. So with 4 welded sprockets and nothing slipped the car had 3 intake valves bent or headless; all secondary and all on the front head.
It may be ironic that Ford accuses sprocket failure to abuse and neglect. I wonder if this can be attributed to easy driving or cheap gas? Well by DESIGN the stuck valve is dry and NEVER sees any fuel to clean it. Nothing the owner can do to either clean or foul the valve. Ray says the oil looked fresh and the engine generally was very clean through out. The car was anything but abused or neglected.
Since the carbon buildup may be motor oil weeping through the valve guide does any one brand of oil do any better than another? I don’t know? Kirk inspected my valves this weekend and Mobil 1 doesn’t evidently prevent valve carbon."(http://v8sho.com/SHO/OneOddFailure.htm)
And I don't know of any maintenance to prevent a valve from dropping into the motor! I now understand why Ford scraped this motor and the SHO!!! beer
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Andrew Tilson
Member
can the injector be relocated? or the high and low ports joined together like in a v6? or can an additional injector be added on that side perhaps?
this is an interesting problem that I have not heard before. doesn't change my plans, but it does give me something else to think about. really if I build the v8 and it doesn't work, if I break it. I can always go back to the v6 without too much trouble. it just isn't quite as unique.
this is an interesting problem that I have not heard before. doesn't change my plans, but it does give me something else to think about. really if I build the v8 and it doesn't work, if I break it. I can always go back to the v6 without too much trouble. it just isn't quite as unique.
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