Bob Gervais
Wut?
Opinions are like ********. 
SHO gets no respect
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vernonator
'12 SHO
back to the topic....One reason IMHO the SHO gets less respect is that Ford does not promote it. I see other cars advertised on tv all the time boasting their 300hp sedan with AWD, yada yada yada and just shake my head...the SHO has all that and more for less money. Not sure why Ford does not promote it more, if they did I think it would get more respect .....
Bob Gervais
Wut?
Same thing happened with previous model SHOs. IMHO, Ford is promoting Ecoboost more than any particular vehicle right now.
sperold
Last to Know
This, above, is the truth. All the time Ford has been selling SHO's, I cannot remember any commercials for any of the years. It seems to be a tradition with Ford to not celebrate their top end vehicles. I can remember Lincoln commercials, and they were generally pretty good. But not high end Fords.
qwiksilvertrav
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I just find it funny we're comparing a 40kish car to a 75k car. That in itself says something. I've been there before with my SRT-4 comparing to cars 10k more expensive.
I mean for the SHO to have nearly all the same features and slightly better performance of a car 35k dollars more is pretty damn impressive. If you want to pay an extra 35k for a slightly more quiet and comfortable ride that is 35 grand more be my guest and be a sucker. But then again people with shit tons of money really don't care...they just **** the money away without thinking about it and car makers know this.
And to say the Acura TL compares to a SHO performance wise is plain dumb. The thing has 300hp and even less torque and would get destroyed by a SHO. We test drove one at the time we were buying our SHO, no comparison...at all. Still holds true with 2012.
In any case overall the SHO has a lot of bang for the buck and that's that. Will it hold up just as good as a much more expensive car? Well a TON of factors go into that and like any car take care of it and it'll take care of you...but only time will tell really. So far our SHO has been flawless. We've owned it for a year and put about 14k miles on it. Sitting at 25k miles.
And I've never heard ANYone say something negative about my SHO. I've quite the opposite. They're usually in Awe when sitting in the car.
I mean for the SHO to have nearly all the same features and slightly better performance of a car 35k dollars more is pretty damn impressive. If you want to pay an extra 35k for a slightly more quiet and comfortable ride that is 35 grand more be my guest and be a sucker. But then again people with shit tons of money really don't care...they just **** the money away without thinking about it and car makers know this.
And to say the Acura TL compares to a SHO performance wise is plain dumb. The thing has 300hp and even less torque and would get destroyed by a SHO. We test drove one at the time we were buying our SHO, no comparison...at all. Still holds true with 2012.
In any case overall the SHO has a lot of bang for the buck and that's that. Will it hold up just as good as a much more expensive car? Well a TON of factors go into that and like any car take care of it and it'll take care of you...but only time will tell really. So far our SHO has been flawless. We've owned it for a year and put about 14k miles on it. Sitting at 25k miles.
And I've never heard ANYone say something negative about my SHO. I've quite the opposite. They're usually in Awe when sitting in the car.
SHO60K
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The driver of a Subaru STI that was trying to look all cool showing off to his friends will give the SHO some respect now after he got smoked yesterday by a Ford Taurus SHO. KACHOW!!
thebigjimsho
LSA = YUM
Funny, my local Chrysler dealer(was Lincoln Mercury, but since Ford is ******* away this dealer's clients...) had a brand new livery package Chrysler 300 and a brand new livery package MKT Town Car sitting in their showroom.
This dealer used to be the 3rd largest purchaser of Town Cars in the world, behind Hertz and Avis. They'll carry both fleet cars. The MKT had a good amount of back seat room. But the rear seat is so high, the legroom is unusable because your feet hang straight down. The C pillar also crowds your head. The seats are also stiff and not that comfortable. There are a lot of features the driver can use but most is superfluous and just drives up the bottom line. And voice control is useless when your clients want quiet. And for being a full size crossover, the trunk space was underwhelming.
The Chrysler 300 fleet model was not as roomy, but still had good space. The seats were also normally situated and you sat comfortably and on wide, soft cushions. The interior looked warm and luxurious. The Lincoln tried to look luxurious with these tacky wood trim accents on the back of the front seats.
So, for more legroom, less comfort, tight shoulder space, more useless features, a more austere interior and uglier exterior, you get to pay $14G more for the MKT over the 300. And with worse fuel economy.
@qwiksilver
You're right, the sho doesn't compare to the TL SH-AWD, it gets smoked by it. The SHO is a tad faster in a straight line but on a track the 6MT SH-AWD would tear the SHO a new one. It's within 2 Cu/Ft of the same interior volume, it's the exact same starting price and loaded it's also about the same. Has a way more advanced AWD system, and gets the same fuel economy. It doesn't need the extra 60 horses because it weighs almost 500 pounds less.
I'm not trying to bash the SHO but if it was really a stupid good value vs a Lexus LS or was soooo much better than the competition, everyone would have one. Not sure if you have checked around with what other companies offer or not, but practically all of its competitors offer the same equipment as options that the SHO has. Unlike the SHO, Dodge doesn't make you get all of that with the Charger R/T, you can buy that without all the toys for around 30k. I'm sure people are in awe, people were in awe about my 99 SHO when I was in high school 8 years ago because they couldn't believe a Taurus was that nice. Compared to a Lexus LS or GS of the same year though, it's absolute garbage.
You're right, the sho doesn't compare to the TL SH-AWD, it gets smoked by it. The SHO is a tad faster in a straight line but on a track the 6MT SH-AWD would tear the SHO a new one. It's within 2 Cu/Ft of the same interior volume, it's the exact same starting price and loaded it's also about the same. Has a way more advanced AWD system, and gets the same fuel economy. It doesn't need the extra 60 horses because it weighs almost 500 pounds less.
I'm not trying to bash the SHO but if it was really a stupid good value vs a Lexus LS or was soooo much better than the competition, everyone would have one. Not sure if you have checked around with what other companies offer or not, but practically all of its competitors offer the same equipment as options that the SHO has. Unlike the SHO, Dodge doesn't make you get all of that with the Charger R/T, you can buy that without all the toys for around 30k. I'm sure people are in awe, people were in awe about my 99 SHO when I was in high school 8 years ago because they couldn't believe a Taurus was that nice. Compared to a Lexus LS or GS of the same year though, it's absolute garbage.
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vernonator
'12 SHO
So exactly WHY are you posting on a Pro-SHO board if thats how you feel?
Never understand that...
so because I like the SHO I have to think its the greatest car ever and is a better vehicle than something twice its price? Sorry for saying the TL is also a good vehicle at the same price, I'll be sure to trash talk everything that isn't a SHO from now on because it must be garbage, otherwise I wouldn't have owned a SHO. I like the SHO, if you gave me a new one tomorrow I'd be thrilled. If I had 40k to go spend on a new car, I probably would get something else though.
My complaint with the OP is if the SHO is this super awesome luxury car, then what does that make the MKS EcoBoost? If the SHO is worth every penny that an LS, A6, or 5 Series is, then the whole Lincoln brand is utterly pointless and nobody would buy it. Go ride in a MKS Ecoboost, and tell me it is not a nicer car than the SHO. Then ride in a Lexus LS460, and tell me it isn't nicer than an MKS EB. Their is a reason why the MKS is 10k more than the Taurus even with the exact same options, it's got a heck of a lot nicer materials on the inside - and some of those options (like the stereo) are a lot nicer than the Taurus' sony audio system.
My complaint with the OP is if the SHO is this super awesome luxury car, then what does that make the MKS EcoBoost? If the SHO is worth every penny that an LS, A6, or 5 Series is, then the whole Lincoln brand is utterly pointless and nobody would buy it. Go ride in a MKS Ecoboost, and tell me it is not a nicer car than the SHO. Then ride in a Lexus LS460, and tell me it isn't nicer than an MKS EB. Their is a reason why the MKS is 10k more than the Taurus even with the exact same options, it's got a heck of a lot nicer materials on the inside - and some of those options (like the stereo) are a lot nicer than the Taurus' sony audio system.
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thebigjimsho
LSA = YUM
Again, it's a SHO board, not pro-SHO. If you want to have your ears tickled and everything candy coated to seem all awesome, all the time, this is not the place.
I like the SHO and I'm glad Ford brought it back, but it's not the greatest car ever made. And it hasn't come close to making the impact the original did...
EcoBrick Bob
SHO Member
Unfortunately... many of the impacts coming from the original SHO are at the scrap yard...
qwiksilvertrav
Member
TL smokes the SHO? LMAO Eh you're entitled to your opinion and I'll agree to disagree with you. I tested out a TL and it was a absolute bore to drive compared to the SHO and a complete dog compared to a SHO. I think a tad faster is a understatement...the TL runs a 1/4 mile of almost 15 seconds. Terrible. And good for the Honda by getting the same mpg but being way slower.
Of course I didn't test either on a autocross nor will most people even after they own either. Add to the fact your dealing with boost vs NA. The SHO will respond to mods a **** of a lot better than the TL will..a **** of a lot. And in cubic feet you convienently forget about the trunk...the TL's trunk is dwarfed by the almost 50% bigger trunk in the SHO WITH a fold down seat. Overall I think the SHO is a much much better car...but don't get me wrong, the TL is still a decent car. I just wouldn't ever buy one given the other options out there.We also test drove a Lexus 350 which WAS in the same price range (well 5k cheaper than the SHO we bought) as the SHO..and well the Lexus was absolute garbage compared to the SHO...and thats a apples to apples comparison and not a unfair 40k car to 80k car comparison. It's quite sad the SHO can beat the 80k lexus in a straight line though...embarrassing actually. And then keep up in terms of options. But then again my Neon would destroy either...but it's not stock I guess.
I've been in plenty of new cars around the same price range as the SHO. **** we tested about 10 different cars when shopping the SHO was by far the best deal. But we didn't pay the new price of a SHO and I never would. We were in the lightly used car market of a year old with 10k miles or less. That may change things a little if we're comparing used cars.
But continue to bash the SHO. We can agree to disagree. We obviously have different interests in the cars we want to own. In all honesty it completely depends on WHAT YOU WANT out of a car for 40k. Performance? Comfort? Creature comforts? AWD or RWD? The SHO is a really good balance of all of them and that's a fact. But if you want a little more of a certain aspect of any of these and you'll go to something else most likely.
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SHOSuperbeast
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I think the reason that there are not more SHO's on the road is that there aren't many in dealerships.
The natural comparison in the Lexus line is the ES 350, but realistically, it isn't in the same performance class.
The most interesting post to this thread was the one where the writer bashed the SHO as not good, and then said he would like to try one for several days. An uninformed opinion . . .
The natural comparison in the Lexus line is the ES 350, but realistically, it isn't in the same performance class.
The most interesting post to this thread was the one where the writer bashed the SHO as not good, and then said he would like to try one for several days. An uninformed opinion . . .
You're comments about the TL running 15 second quarter miles is right, but I repeatedly said the SH-AWD model, which with 6 speed manual can do high 13s/14 flat. That's as fast as a SHO, it pulls way higher lateral G's, and if that's a bore to drive compared to the SHO I'll be in shock. If you think that car can't smoke a SHO around a track then you're on crack. It's usually compared with the S4 and 335i, either one of those would eat even a modded SHO alive. My only reason for bringing the TL up is that their are other cars in the same price range that can offer what the SHO is, so to say that the SHO is a Lexus LS competitor would have to mean that these other cars are too since they can match what the SHO does.
Seriously, how many ****ing times do I have to say it, I'm not bashing the ****ing car I'm saying you can't compare it to something almost twice its price. It is not as good as a Lexus LS, that's not bashing that's common ****ing sense. I've said in every single post on this thread that I'm not bashing it, not once did I say the car sucks, not once did I say that it's not a good car. I'm simply pointing out that their are other cars that are just as good as it and that you can't compare it to 60-80k cars.
The SHO cannot be compared with a new Lexus LS. Their is a reason why it's twice as much. It's as good as an Acura TL SH-AWD, an S80 T6, Chrysler 300C, or a Genesis V8. Nobody runs around argueing that those are as good as an LS460. Even the Genesis, which most reviewers said was remarkably nice, commented that the interior quality was not as good as the midsize luxury market it was built to compete against. Same goes with the Equus (which IS built to compete against an LS460). You couldn't even compare the MKS EB against an LS, and that's the same exact thing as a SHO only with 10k more in luxury features on it.
If you want to sit there and say I'm bashing it because I don't get on my knee's and praise it as the greatest car ever made, then go ahead. To be honest, with 40k I wouldn't buy any of the cars I have mentioned. I'm not criticizing anyone else's decision to buy a SHO, I'm just saying their are other good cars out there and in some areas they do out perform the SHO. So until the SHO is head and shoulders above everything else in its price range, it's stupid to compare it to something twice as much.
Edit: I just looked back to read the whole thread over again, and I never once said the SHO was a bad vehicle. My arguement that their are other cars out there just as good as the SHO that offer the same technology, performance, and size as well is a completely sound arguement. So to say that a SHO is as good as a Lexus LS, Audi A6, or 5 Series is to say that all of those are as well. I offer up a couple suggestions of vehicle to point out that they too, offer what the SHO does and you want to turn around and say I'm bashing the SHO? I said an Acura TL SH-AWD 6MT was faster around a track, and that's bashing the SHO?
You're right, the SHO is absolutely the fastest car on the planet. It's such an awesome car, I'd take one over a Aston Martin Rapide. It's just as fast and offers pretty much all the same features. In fact, I can't really think of anything the AM does better. Anyone else who thinks differently shouldnt be on this forum because they clearly just hate SHOs.
Seriously, how many ****ing times do I have to say it, I'm not bashing the ****ing car I'm saying you can't compare it to something almost twice its price. It is not as good as a Lexus LS, that's not bashing that's common ****ing sense. I've said in every single post on this thread that I'm not bashing it, not once did I say the car sucks, not once did I say that it's not a good car. I'm simply pointing out that their are other cars that are just as good as it and that you can't compare it to 60-80k cars.
The SHO cannot be compared with a new Lexus LS. Their is a reason why it's twice as much. It's as good as an Acura TL SH-AWD, an S80 T6, Chrysler 300C, or a Genesis V8. Nobody runs around argueing that those are as good as an LS460. Even the Genesis, which most reviewers said was remarkably nice, commented that the interior quality was not as good as the midsize luxury market it was built to compete against. Same goes with the Equus (which IS built to compete against an LS460). You couldn't even compare the MKS EB against an LS, and that's the same exact thing as a SHO only with 10k more in luxury features on it.
If you want to sit there and say I'm bashing it because I don't get on my knee's and praise it as the greatest car ever made, then go ahead. To be honest, with 40k I wouldn't buy any of the cars I have mentioned. I'm not criticizing anyone else's decision to buy a SHO, I'm just saying their are other good cars out there and in some areas they do out perform the SHO. So until the SHO is head and shoulders above everything else in its price range, it's stupid to compare it to something twice as much.
Edit: I just looked back to read the whole thread over again, and I never once said the SHO was a bad vehicle. My arguement that their are other cars out there just as good as the SHO that offer the same technology, performance, and size as well is a completely sound arguement. So to say that a SHO is as good as a Lexus LS, Audi A6, or 5 Series is to say that all of those are as well. I offer up a couple suggestions of vehicle to point out that they too, offer what the SHO does and you want to turn around and say I'm bashing the SHO? I said an Acura TL SH-AWD 6MT was faster around a track, and that's bashing the SHO?
You're right, the SHO is absolutely the fastest car on the planet. It's such an awesome car, I'd take one over a Aston Martin Rapide. It's just as fast and offers pretty much all the same features. In fact, I can't really think of anything the AM does better. Anyone else who thinks differently shouldnt be on this forum because they clearly just hate SHOs.
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qwiksilvertrav
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Just sounds like a bash but whatever.
Everything I could find on the SH-AWD showed mid 14's. But in real world scenarios the SHO would probably leave it in the dust. To make it faster the boost gives it the obvious advantage...the SHO pwns in the raw power department. And I never stated it couldn't take it on the road course...I just said most people aren't autocrossing these cars so it doesn't really matter. lol I'd seriously laugh at anyone autox'n a SHO in the cones...my god. I doubt anyone buying either of these cars are to worried about that. But I understand you taking cars that cost about the same and saying they're just as good. It's all opinion and you know what they say about those! IMO the SHO has the most balanced features to offer compared to the other options back when I was looking for a car in this class in early 2011. Now it's different though.
I'm a Mopar guy too...and passed on the 300C, Charger, and Challenger. This is the wifes car and well I won't go in details but the SHO beat out the others I just mentioned. All in all it's a great car and IMO it DOES compare to cars priced far more than it. It also gets smoked in some areas as it should.
But bottom line when I looked at cars in the SHO's lightly used price range it killed all the competition from what we tested.
And I'll say again everytime someone checks out the car they love it. Will it still get respect 10 years from now like your old 99 Taurus? Probably not...it'll be old and have 100k miles on it...and there will be new technology out. But as of today I can get in a brand new car and not be on awe...but was in awe when I got in the SHO.
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Its still a Taurus, don't forget that......
I guess I didn't see where you said you weren't saying it wouldn't compete on a road course. The TL SH-AWD will do mid 14's with an auto 6 speed, but some magazines have reported 13.9-14.1 with a 6 speed manual. That'll barely match a stock SHO but a tuned SHO wouldn't have much problem pulling away. Around a road course or even a curvy road the TL SH-AWD is a lot more engaging to drive however. I am really disappointed the SHO doesn't have the haldex 7.0 or w/e version the TL, S60 T6, 9-3 Turbo X, and S4 have. Judging by the reviews those vehicles get I think it could help transform the car into an actual sports sedan. Saying the TL SH-AWD would smoke a SHO around a track isn't really a bash, it's like saying a Corvette Gran Sport would smoke a Mustang GT around a track, the GS was built with the track in mind.
Also, while the features list is impressive a lot of them are technology related drivers aids, which even the Focus now offers such as BLIS, Park Assist, and Adaptive Cruise Control. Just comparing the options list to the MKS shows where the Taurus doesn't really offer what luxury cars do, such as a Panoramic roof, a leather covered dash, some much more luxurious seats, and a really awesome sound system, or more upscale interior trim pieces. That's why I don't think it's right to compare the SHO against them, because when you just run down a features list you'd find that even a Focus Titanium offers all those systems as options.
Also, while the features list is impressive a lot of them are technology related drivers aids, which even the Focus now offers such as BLIS, Park Assist, and Adaptive Cruise Control. Just comparing the options list to the MKS shows where the Taurus doesn't really offer what luxury cars do, such as a Panoramic roof, a leather covered dash, some much more luxurious seats, and a really awesome sound system, or more upscale interior trim pieces. That's why I don't think it's right to compare the SHO against them, because when you just run down a features list you'd find that even a Focus Titanium offers all those systems as options.
The Gran Sport now is meerly a trim package to customize the car.....nothing special. The current equivelant to the gran sport you're thinking of(C4) is the ZO6.
Otherwise, I approve of the above comment and agree. I hate honda/acura stuff, but can say, TL's handle very very well for their size and weight
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