rebuilt atx won't go

[kputer]

I just got my reman ATX installed (3 weeks later) and it started fine. But it doesn't move or even try to move in R D 1 or 2. Everything sounds and looks good. Any ideas where to start?

thanks,
Keith

 

[5.0 5speed]

did you check to see if the linkage is connected right and if who ever did the install see if the tranny is dry (no fluid) if so it wouldnt engage but its just a thought

 

[kputer]

Sorry, I should have said I just installed the tranny. Fluid is full. Shifter connected with nuetral marks lined up. I'm looking at the codes right now but I don't think it should be anything like that.

 

[kputer]

koeo - 327 327 pause 1 pause 512 512
koer - 639 136 327 632

looking for the link to decipher these, if anyone could help that would be great!

 

[Mr Anonymous]

639 is the TSS, 632 is either a testing error or your TCS switch is faulty.

In any event, neither code explains your problem, and those are the only tranny codes -- the others are irrelavent in relation to the current problem.

Was a new/rebuilt torque converter installed? Did the shop that rebuilt the tranny test it on a tranny dyno?

Something in the tranny isn't "right". I'd suggest having it towed to whomever did the rebuild to have it diagnosed and remedied. 99.8% likely it's going to have to come out again. Sorry.

 

[kputer]

Thanks Chris, I did find a list of codes and see the tranny code 632 "TCS should be cycled once.." which I think I didn't press the OD button at the right time, and the 639 "TSS circuit fault. TSS-tranny speed sensor should not cause this?

I got the reman trans from Schaumburg, IL and it came with a tag showing the dyno test results. They also gave me a rebuilt t.c. that I don't know if it was the one used in the dyno test. I thought this would be a slam dunk fix that would last years, now I might have to drive back to IL and exchange the tranny, worst part is pulling it out again. I'm waiting for Monday morning till I can discuss this with the shop where I bought the trans. But if anyone has any suggestions for today I'll be around.

 

[kputer]

The trans shop asked me to bring the tranny back. He said it sounds like the pump, and asked if I installed the torque converter properly. I know I did, I've done this before. Apparently the tranny was dyno tested without a torque converter and I'm wondering about the torque converter they gave me. He also said another shop does the torque cnvtr's. I was wondering if anyone knows how to identify that I got the right torque cnvtr?

btw, fluid did pump out of the line going to the cooler and I used this to drain the bulk of the oil, is there another pump?

At least taking it apart this time is going much easier now that I'm an expert

 

[kputer]

Maybe found the problem with the reman ATX won't go

The shop that I got the reman tranny from thought they might have gave me the wrong torque converter. Anyone know if they did give me a '93 23 spline trq cnvtr by mistake, if that would cause my problem? Would the stater spline just totally slip and miss in the '94 tranny so it wouldn't go? I'll have to get it apart the rest of the way and count the splines, but I'm wondering what damage this mistake might have caused.

Thanks,
Keith

Updated 4/10/05
turns out that the rebuilt trans was the 23 spline and the converter was the 25 spline. I got the correct converter now and she's back on the road. I'm still wondering when the change from 23 to 25 was made? I pulled the original trans last year (including the converter) and they are long gone, so I don't know what I originally had.

 

[SHO#7]

The shop that I got the reman tranny from thought they might have gave me the wrong torque converter. Anyone know if they did give me a '93 23 spline trq cnvtr by mistake, if that would cause my problem? Would the stater spline just totally slip and miss in the '94 tranny so it wouldn't go? I'll have to get it apart the rest of the way and count the splines, but I'm wondering what damage this mistake might have caused.

Thanks,
Keith

I have never tried to install an incorrect TC but if it would go on to the imput shaft, then I would imagine that no matter how wrong the stahl may be, the transmission should still engage. As for having the transmission hit the dyno without the TC, I have never seen a machine like that. We have a dyno too at our shop, and we have alot of stock converters so that we do not have to wait for the original to go through the reman process until we can dyno, but when we get something special that I do not have a TC in stock for. We must wait for the original. ( If that makes sense. )

If you want to do a pressure test, there is an EPC port tap on the top of the transmission that you can hook a gauge to.

I will say though, a no move, is generally a bad thing. Most likely something simple that they missed. But none the less will make you bust your knuckles again. It does happen though. Even to the best shops.

Hope it goes well for you. And bypass your factory cooler. I do not care how many cooler cleans you put through it. Just add a big A$$ plate style cooler in its place.

 

[kputer]

Please help, I've got the tranny out and this is what I have:
middle shaft on trans = 23 splines

middle socket on converter = 25 splines

did they sell me a '93 trans and a newer converter? If so, I'm not happy, I explicitly asked for a '94 trans and never doubted that is what they gave me. He is overnighting another converter with the 23 spline.

Mike, I was wrong, they do use stock converters on their dyno as well.

I have been searching the threads but haven't found anything difinitive on the spline count. Is the '93 a 23 or 25 spline?

And do I have a case to request reimbursment for the extra r&r and oil... of the wrong trans?

Thanks,
Keith

 

[SHO#7]

Please help, I've got the tranny out and this is what I have:
middle shaft on trans = 23 splines

middle socket on converter = 25 splines

did they sell me a '93 trans and a newer converter? If so, I'm not happy, I explicitly asked for a '94 trans and never doubted that is what they gave me. He is overnighting another converter with the 23 spline.

Mike, I was wrong, they do use stock converters on their dyno as well.

I have been searching the threads but haven't found anything difinitive on the spline count. Is the '93 a 23 or 25 spline?

And do I have a case to request reimbursment for the extra r&r and oil... of the wrong trans?

Thanks,
Keith

Here is what my ATC book says.

Part # U86673B ... Turbine Shaft. AXOD/AXODE/AX4S ( 25 Splines on converter end ) L93 and up.

Ok, now keep in mind that I do not have parts like this in stock that I can go and look at. So, do you remember if your first converter ( the one you took out ) looks like the one they sent you. The SHO TC has a different face to it, than just a regular Tauri TC. It is shaped different. It is smaller in the front ( side with the hub ) if you will.

Second, I am not sure that the TC would even go in correctly if the spline count is not correct. If it did it should have chewed everything up on the first turn of the key.

When the transmission was still in the car, and you started the engine, did you check to see if the transmission was making any pressure. Either with a pressure gauge or by un-hooking a hose. If you release the fluid into a gallon jug, you should fill it at least 1/3 full in about 10-15 seconds.

And to answer your question about refunds of some money. I would get her working properly first, and then worry about that. If they need to send other parts etc.. and they get cheap with overnighting the packages, then I would use the fluid etc as some defense. Just my opinion.

Good luck with this. I hope I have been of some help.

Mike

 

[kputer]

I got the converter and it looks just like the first, but only has 23 splines and is smaller in diameter on the stator gear. It feels better also when I spin it in the trans. The other converter did feel and sound like there was something askew. Boy if I had only known of this before putting it all together. Thanks guys for the help and I hope to have her on the road by tomorrow.

I'm still looking for info on when the change was made, '94 or mid '94?

 

[38SHO]

next time u get a axode built just re use the old converter, these transmissions don't really need a new torque converter, just clean out the old one.... anyone who tells you differently hasn't dealt with many of these transmissions. Im on 2 rebuilds and still the original converter, 90k miles lol. my last rebuild was from overheating with no fluid and welded the planetary up, T.C. still works like a champ..... some cars it is a very good idea to replace the torque converter, but the taurus transmission is an exception.

 

[kputer]

It seems everywhere I called including the Ford dealer for prices on the reman/rebuild they included the converter like it or not.

Anyhow, I got her on the road again today and my wife even cleaned and vacuumed it out!