Possible computer prob on 95 ATX, opinions?

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Huntervf

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Just went to the darkside today and bought a 95 ATX /w 90k on it. Tried to run codes, KOEO and memory functions worked ok but the KOER test wouldn't return any codes. It would work fine up to the goose test; registered 3 pulses in the begining, car went through it's various checks, idled down and gave me the single flash for the goose test, but beyond that point I got no CE flashes at all...not even a 111 or the re-do code (can't remember offhand what it was). Furthermore, without any prompting the car would run a cylinder balance test approximately 1 minute after running the goose test. At least I assume it was running the balance test; the car definitely dropped a cylinder for awhile but it only did one.

I tried the KOER test several times with myself, Bizzy & IVEYSHO all present and triple checking connections, etc. Each time netted the same result.

I've seen other EEC-IV systems exhibit similar odd functions & the problem was ultimately a bad computer. Anyone have any thoughts on this before I go hog wild replacing parts? shrug
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It fluctuates but it's on the low side. The car will not idle at all when cold, as it warms up the car will struggle to hold 500rpms, after it's been driven for awhile it will idle between 800 & 500.
 

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The cylinder balance test runs all 6 cylinders. Unplug the spout connector and check the base ignition timing.
 

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I should clarify that the car runs fine; the only time it dropped a cylinder was shortly after trying to run the goose test.

Today I cleaned the IAC, EGR, TB and swapped MAFs; no change at all. I also cycled the fuel pump several times to be sure the system was pressurized. It will start right up but then just dies right back out unless I give it gas.

Anyone with more computer experience?
 

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Have you tried the TPS yet?

The engine can run without several of the sensors using the computer's failsafe mode.

So far, I've determined that the CID, MAP/BAP, and the MAF sensors all have this kind of failsafe. Of course, you WILL get a CEL, but at least you can see if it affects how the engine runs.

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Ok here's an update:

Aside from cleaning/swapping parts that I described in my last post I also pulled another set of codes after having the batt. disconnected for a couple hours. I got 543 in KOEO on demand, NOT memory. The fuel pump is definitely working (though noisy) so I replaced the front 02 sensor as I also had 02 sensor codes in memory from yesterday (did a search, found that 02's could be connected to a 543). Ran KOEO again and nothing, all 111.

Now for the strange part. Yesterday I could not pull the KOER codes; Everything would work fine up to the goose test but after that I'd get no CE flashes at all and after a minute or so a cylinder would drop, stay out for about 20 seconds then come back on like it was running a balance test. Now today I tried the KOER test and damn if it didn't work just as it was supposed to. Only pulled 2 codes, 412 & 413 which seem to indicate a bad IAC. I cleaned the heck out of it today but it didn't make any difference at all. I also ran a cylinder balance test; everything came back ok. Of course during the whole test the engine never ran over 800 RPM's save for the goose part of the test. Usually the engine runs up to 1300-1500. Same for the balance test...idled around 800, dropped to 500 when a cylinder was cut. shrug

Finally, I noticed quite a bit of intake resonnance...I'm not sure if people understand what I mean by that but it sounds like medium-pitched hum that one may hear from a wind instrument like a tenor saxaphone. My Contour used to make a similar noise, but I've never heard it on a SHO before. It's definitely in the intake manifold somewhere as it became MUCH louder when I removed the intake tube from the throttle body, and shortly afterwards the car stalled. Could this indicate a vaccum leak in the intake somewhere?

So to recap, here's what I have:

No idle condition when cold. Car starts right up but unless I give it some gas it will just shut right back down.

Low idle condition when warm, approximately 500-700 RPMS. It doesn't fluctuate up and down, sometimes it will idle higher up and sometimes down low; I guess it all depends on what intersection I stop at shrug

I THOUGHT I may have a computer problem since the KOER test would not complete itself yesterday, but today it worked just fine. CE light comes on when the ignition is turned on; relays, fans and fuel pump all seem to cycle normally. I thought the idle problem may be computer related but since it's working ok now and I still have an idle prob I must assume the problem lies elsewhere.

There's quite a bit of intake resonnance that would seem to be originating in the intake manifold itself.

Car runs great aside from the idle...no hesitation, secondaries hit like they should, car pulls strong.

I did have a CE light on occasion yesterday during the 2 hour drive home. Just a light, no noticable change in performance. Averaged 24.9 MPG, 100% highway miles.

I've cleaned the IAC, TB, EGR, swapped the MAF and TPS, replaced front O2 sensor, tried to reset the idle per the published procedure, cussed a lot, drank a lot, etc. Tomorrow I'm going to try a new IAC as well as a new fuel filter, but any and all advice is still appreciated!
 

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I could be wrong but I thought you had to have a system pass code in koeo before codes would be displayed in koer? I am not really sure but maybe thats why you didn't get any codes until after you got a 111 in koeo mode. shrug How good are the intake manifold gaskets? You might also check the tightness of the runner connecting hoses and check all of the vacuum hoses that connect to the intake for splits, especially the big one on the back. I had a small slit in that one on my old car and it caused similar problems until I fixed it. Also, I don't think your computer is bad, I just replaced a bad computer in mine and it wouldn't give any codes in any mode. Just a constant signal.
 

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I've pulled many sets of codes from many different EEC vehicles, and most of them had KOEO and KOER codes. For that fact my very first attempt at codes yielded a code 111 for KOEO but the KOER didn't finish.

FWIW I pulled KOER codes again today and it worked just fine. At this point there seems to be no computer probs at all, just a no idle condition when cold. I may repost this question as a no-idle question since I can only assume at this point that the computer is fine shrug
 

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