My parts list......any input?

[tauruswithheart]

im going to divide this into what i have and dont have.....
HAVE:
-MHI TD06 17c(18g) turbo w 3 bolt down pipe outlet and 34mm internal wastegate upgraded adjustable wastegate actuator
-Turbo XS RFL BOV and adapter
-31X12X3 intercooler
-2.5" ic piping
-8 42# lightning injectors
-90mm lightning maf
-t3 weld on ******
-3 bolt dp ******
-stock rail and injectors for modification
-catch can
-tilton electric oil pump.....(dont know if i want to drain into oil pan or drain to cap using pump.......)
-tinted boost gauge

DONT HAVE YET
-aeromotive 13109 efi 30-70 psi fpr -6 an fittings(not sure if i need to run it)
-toolmans hotpipes
-an-6 line
- tweecer
-190lph fuel pump(when i run this will i need the performance fpr?)
- top 60k stuff
-wideband o2(probably wont run it yet

I plan on running 8-9 psi MAX

 

[yamahaSHO]

I'd stick with a 255lph pump and get an adjustable FPR. I know you say 9 PSI max, but it is VERY likely you'll step it up to 12 or so.

I would keep the system more reliable and just drain the turbo into the pan
(no pump). You don't have to worry about a pump going out and gravity will take care of the draining.

EDIT: I also agree with Power Surge.

 

[Power Surge]

If you want my opinion, the intercooler is too big, and I'd rather see you run an 80mm Lightning MAF instead of the 90mm.

Can't comment on the turbo, not familiar with that unit.

 

[LJRuddy]

only need 6 injectors...

 

[tauruswithheart]

i wanted to run an 80mm maf but this came with the injectors......my proflow 77 wont meter the air coming in because its calibrated for the sho right?

the intercooler was a superdeal....but i know a lot of people here are running this size.....it might be overkill and create lag.....but it will keep the air cool...i figured if i run 2.5" pipiong instead of 3" it will make up for the intercooler being so big.....the only thing is i have to either find or make a 2.5 to like 4" coupler for the 90mm......which is the best 80mm maf? maybe ill sell this one

 

[tauruswithheart]

another thing....do you think i should do rod bearings? they were done already at like 120k but now i have 175k on the motor....my plan was to just do a top 60k...plugs wires intake/valve cover/cam seals....check the valves and whatnot......the engine as it sits was always maintaned and runs very strong...perfect compression....no rod knock obviously......rear main was done too at 145k when the hirevs was put in......
and what type of plugs do you recommend for my set up....i know my autolite DP's plus boost is a no no


HUGE QUESTION....what is the best way to vent the crank case....i plan on venting the front valve cover and ccv...but should i run those to a catch can and run a line to the turbo piping so it sees vacuum and doesnt get any oil in it? i dont want to blow any seals......is there anywhere else where the crankcase can see boost other than those to vents connected to the TB????

 

[Power Surge]

i wanted to run an 80mm maf but this came with the injectors......my proflow 77 wont meter the air coming in because its calibrated for the sho right?

the intercooler was a superdeal....but i know a lot of people here are running this size.....it might be overkill and create lag.....but it will keep the air cool...i figured if i run 2.5" pipiong instead of 3" it will make up for the intercooler being so big.....the only thing is i have to either find or make a 2.5 to like 4" coupler for the 90mm......which is the best 80mm maf? maybe ill sell this one

Necking from 2.5" to 4" and back through the MAF is a BAD idea. This is why I suggested the smaller 80mm Lightning MAF. You should try to use a MAF that is matched closer to your pipe size, so you have a cleaner signal. If you are concerned about range, then put a MAFia extender on it.

I was planning to use an 80mm on my turbo setup, but I decided to use the 73mm C&L housing that came with my other parts car. It will package much nicer, because it's double hose ended (no need for a MAF adapter) and it's closer to the piping size I will be using, but not restrictive.

 

[yamahaSHO]

The 80mm has a 4" ****** as well...

 

[tauruswithheart]

it ind of looks like yamahasho did that.....but with a smooth transition...maybe ill do that.......as far as my pro-flow....is there any use for it on this turbo set up ????????its the polished 77mm hose to hose.....not the bolt on filter one.

 

[tauruswithheart]

ok so im beat as far as the 80 and 90......i might as well runthe 90 because i already have it right???????

 

[Power Surge]

The 80mm has a 4" ****** as well...

That's only because most people use a 90mm adapter on an 80. Before the 90s came out, I was making PROPER 80mm MAF adapters with a 3.5" ****** on them. The MAF is only 3.5", not 4" like a 90mm.

Another thing to consider.... if you are intent on using a 90mm, you should use the 03-04 Cobra MAF. It has an internal IAT sensor in it, which you can wire to your PCM. This way you can have proper IAT correction based on air inlet temps.

Just food for thought.

 

[tauruswithheart]

no thoughts on the proflow?????

 

[Power Surge]

no thoughts on the proflow?????

Yeah, throw it in the ocean. That's about all anything made by them is worth.

 

[tauruswithheart]

ya ill make sure to do that.....pro flow has worked fine for me....no tune or lpm at all....and my old green 91....and come t think of it mynew white 91...never had a problem....but ill go do that right now.....

 

[yamahaSHO]

That's only because most people use a 90mm adapter on an 80. Before the 90s came out, I was making PROPER 80mm MAF adapters with a 3.5" ****** on them. The MAF is only 3.5", not 4" like a 90mm.

Another thing to consider.... if you are intent on using a 90mm, you should use the 03-04 Cobra MAF. It has an internal IAT sensor in it, which you can wire to your PCM. This way you can have proper IAT correction based on air inlet temps.

Just food for thought.

A 3.5" ****** on my Lightning 80mm would would cause more turbulance than anything. My ****** meets up directly with the curve of the MAF.

 

[Power Surge]

A 3.5" ****** on my Lightning 80mm would would cause more turbulance than anything. My ****** meets up directly with the curve of the MAF.

Sorry Jason, but you are wrong. I was making 3.5" MAF flanges for the 80mm MAFs for years before the 90mms came out in 01. They fit the opening of the 80mm perfectly.

 

[Toolman]

3.5" is 88.9mm, maybe you are thinking of 3" Jason (which is 76.2mm).

 

[Toolman]

And twheart, that is a huge IC, good for over 1000hp. And packaging it will not be easy. It probably has 3" inlet/outlet, as well, and transition hose (a 2.5"-3") is much more costly than regular silicone connectors. A 20x8x3 IC will flow enough power to meet your needs, will package much easier, will weigh less, and will remove as much heat as that monster, while providing less pressure drop across the core. Also, unless you are doing major surgery to your bumper cover, only a certain amount of any IC will actually be exposed directly to the air. Plan accordingly.

When designing your system, it is best to try and plan your piping so that you use as little transitions as possible, simply because of the costs associated with silicone transitions.


A few questions: What size is your turbo inlet? Are planning on using your MAF as a draw-through or blow-through? Are you planning on using my turbo hotpipes? (if so, better hurry, GB will be ending in a few weeks)

Lastly, I made 430whp (a pig rich 430) on my 190lph pump, so you will be fine with it, but if you think you might ever plan on running a bigger turbo and upping the boost, the 255lph would be good to have.

 

[yamahaSHO]

The O.D. is 4", not the I.D.

In fact, I have both an 80mm adapter here and a 90mm adapter. Both have the same O.D., however, the 90mm adapter is much thinner to fit the 90mm and have a smooth transition.

As long as there is a smooth transition (not using Josh's 90mm w/ and 80mm MAF) and a straight path in and out of the MAF, it will be fine. You're not going to find many MAF's to use that won't step up the size of the chage pipe you're going to use.

My 3.5" transition pipe acutually sits within the beginning of the adapter to allow the smoothes flow possible for the given setup.

 

[tauruswithheart]

the intercooler inlet and outlet is 2.5 and the turbo outlet is 2.5.....yamahasho not trying to swipe your idea but how did you make the transition....its great.....im sending the money tonight toolman