My Nesho Experience

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Back in January my SHO snapped a valve head off and damaged the #8 piston. I let it sit for a couple months, then contacted Doug Lewis about getting a new engine and rebuilt tranny, and he convinced me that it would be more economically feasible to just buy a rust-free southern SHO and part my current one out. I agreed, and I set up a verbal deal with Doug to buy an 80+K 97 ES car with grey cloth, no rust, and a rebuilt cam failure engine from him. A couple weeks later Kirk was in town dropping off a 96 RM at Paul Nimz’s house (I live very close to Paul), and I came down to see the new car and hang out with them. I told Kirk about the car I was buying from Doug, and Kirk told me that Doug was overcharging me and that he (Kirk) could give me a better deal. Kirk said he had a 97 SF with grey cloth interior (one of my main requirements in a new SHO), that was a cam failure. Kirk said he was going to drop in a rebuilt, welded engine and rebuilt tranny and was asking $5K for it. He said the car was from TN and was in great shape. I agreed, and told Doug I was backing out on our deal (which also meant that I forfeited a $500 downpayment). I also requested Flowmaster mufflers and an X-Cal2 be added to the car, bringing the total to $5750.

Two week later on Friday, April 13th (not making this up), Kirk dropped off the car. He pointed out some minor problems with the car – headlights were yellowed, steering wheel was worn, and one of the door speakers was blown – and offered to send me a new steering wheel and junkyard headlights. He also apologized that he didn’t have time to detail the car, so the interior was dusty. He assured me that his guys had driven the car for a couple days, and that they said the car was running great and in excellent condition. I told him not to worry about the steering wheel and headlights, and that it would be no problem for me to vacuum out the interior. We were on our way down to Paul’s again, so I didn’t have time to look at the car, aside from driving it off the trailer and into my driveway. I gave him the $5750, and we went our separate ways.

The next day when I went out to clean up the interior is when I first started noticing issues. Kirk mentioned that they had re-glued the dash down above the instrument cluster when he dropped the car off. When cleaning, I noticed that there was excess glue all over the column, instrument cluster, and up on the dash, as well as a large fingerprint molded in glue on the dash. I also noticed that there was a large rip in the carpet right at the base of the dead pedal in the driver’s footwell. The headliner was falling down, the moonroof didn’t slide back, The driver’s floormat was missing, there were multiple tears in all the vinyl panels on the car, and there was a tar-like substance in both grab handle pockets in the rear doors. When I went to inspect the exterior, I was even more disappointed. The front clip body panels did not line up, and there were massive gaps between the passenger headlight and the hood. Upon opening the hood, I discovered that there were spacer washers all over the passenger side of the car aligning the passenger fender and bumper cover. I also noticed that the lower rocker panel area of ther passenger fender and passenger front door had not been painted, and the original blue color of the body panels was clearly showing through. Apparently, the car had been repaired cheaply with SLO junkyard panels and very poorly shot with color. There was overspray literally over the entire car. All the windows had overspray mist on them. There were visible lines around the headlights and front sidemarker lamps where the painter had taped them off badly instead of removing them, and there were sections of the bumper cover that didn’t have paint on it. I also noticed that the bumper cover itself was torn from it’s metal mounting bracket on the driver’s side, and someone had attempted to “fix” it by using some sort of glue. When I removed the bumper cover, I noticed that the fiberglass radiator support was cracked in multiple places, and that the metal bumper underneath the cover had not been replaced after the accident.

Now on to the mechanical issues. Rather than go into a long discussion about every single issue, here is a crude list of all that I’ve replaced, as well as time and money it’s cost me. Take into account the fact that many of the parts replaced have come from my parts car:

Item Time (hr) Money
New alternator 3.0 $135.00
New serpentine Belt 1.0 $30.00
New Front Swaybar Endlinks 1.0 $80.00
Replace Thermostat 1.0
Replace split heater hose 1.0 $5.00
Replace smashed front metal bumper 5.0 $10.00
Replace torn carpet 4.0 $40.00
Replace broken glovebox 0.5 $10.00
Replace faulty MFS 0.5
Replace faulty parking brake switch 0.5
Fix moonroof 1.0
Fix broken CD changer 1.0 $10.00
Replace bad battery 0.5 $80.00
Clean car interior 8.5
Clean overspray off windows 2.0
Charge A/C system 1.5 $80.00
Replace front caliper bracket 1.5 $40.00
Replace Transmission mount 2.5 $30.00
Replace outer tie rod ends 0.5 $40.00
Replace pinched tranny line 2.0 $15.00
Replace TCC Solenoid 3.5 $25.00
Replace Font Hubs 8.0 $150.00
Remove A/C Clutch Spacer 1.5
Replace Lower Ball Joints 2.0
Total Cost 53.5 $780.00

At this time, the ABS system does not work, the CD changer is jammed for the third time, and the TC on the tranny is still slipping (on a transmission that was supposedly rebuilt). All this and I have only owned the car for just over two months.

I contacted Kirk via email on May 31st and said:

“Kirk,
I want to let you know how extremely dissatisfied I am with the 1997 SF SHO that I purchased from you on April 13th. I purchased the car without the opportunity to thoroughly inspect and test-drive the vehicle, but based my understanding on the condition of the vehicle on your reputation in the V8 SHO community and by your statements to me over the phone and via email. However, I have come to realize in the last month-and-a-half that this vehicle is in anything but good condition. I was never informed that the car was involved in a front-end collision, nor that much of the damage had not been repaired (as in the case of the radiator support and bumper) or had not been prepared properly (bumper cover is split; was simply repainted instead of replaced. Front clip has the absolute worst paint job I have ever seen – headlights and side-markers painted over, parts of the fender and bumper cover not painted at all).

In the last month-and-a-half, I have spent over forty hours and nearly $600 trying to get the car cleaned up and into proper working condition. To date, I have:

Item Time (hr) Money
New alternator 3.0 $135.00
New serpentine Belt 1.0 $30.00
New Front Swaybar Endlinks 1.0 $80.00
Replace Thermostat 1.0 Parts Car
Replace split heater hose 1.0 $5.00
Replace smashed front metal bumper 5.0 $10.00
Replace torn carpet 4.0 $40.00
Replace broken glovebox 0.5 $10.00
Replace faulty MFS 0.5 Parts Car
Replace faulty parking brake switch 0.5 Parts Car
Fix moonroof 1.0 $0.00
Fix broken CD changer 1.0 $10.00
Replace bad battery 0.5 $80.00
Clean car interior 8.5 $23.00
Clean overspray off windows 2.0 $0.00
Repair A/C system 1.0 $50.00
Replace front caliper bracket 1.5 $40.00
Replace Transmission mount 2.5 $30.00
Replace outer tie rod ends 0.5 $40.00
Replace pinched tranny line 2.0 $15.00
Total Cost 38.0 $598.00


And I am still not finished. The A/C system still does not work, the ABS system does not work (and consequently, the ABS warning light in the instrument cluster does not work), there is a horrendous clunking in the front suspension that I suspect is either the lower ball joints (the boots on both lower ball joints are badly torn) or the strut bearings, the fiberglass radiator support is cracked, and the transmission 1-2 shift slams and the TC clutch doe not lockup properly. I'm not even getting started on the fact that the whole front end of the frame is crooked, and the bumper cover and passenger fender needs to be replaced and the whole front clip repainted properly. Now, I am not expecting to get a showroom-floor quality car for $5K, but I am expecting to get a vehicle that's worth what I paid for.

At this point, I am fed-up with the time and money I have put into this car and I just want it gone. I want to return the car to you, including the SCT tuner, and be refunded the $5750 I paid you plus half my incurred expenses as far as repairs. I will include the minor modifications I made to the car if you like (98-99 taillights with dual-light mod, Gen 2 ATX tranny cooler, foglights mounted but not wired, steering wheel cover, Yamaha badges, brake bias plugs, ALSFB, 24/26 swaybar combo, etc), or I can return the car to the condition in which I received it from you. I am also willing to meet you halfway between Spencer, MA and Bourbonnais, IL to make the transfer.

I still feel that you are an honest man and that you have integrity, and I feel that we can still have good business dealings in the future.

Daniel J. Holtman”


He replied on June 11th with:
“Dan, Im sorry that you feel that way but there is no returns on things like this, I lost my shirt on that car and thought I was doing you a favor selling it to you at that price. The car cost me 1000 as a dead Southern car I then had to tow it home from Nashville a the sum of 400.00 I installed a refreshed motor in it 3200.00 a new transmission 2600.00 newer tires 300, good chromes 600, had the bumpers painted 300, the tuner 400, the flows 300, towing it out there 425.00 and all of the work that I did to it like sway out a power antenna, cup holder, tail lights and other things that I cant remember.

All of the things you listed as work that was done by you are common V8SHO things to go wrong and everyone was checked thoroughly before the car was brought to you. The car was in 100% order when delivered to you. I had felt bad about the over spray on the windows, the headlights and the painting of the headlight support which I told you about and you said don’t worry and thanks for the extra effort.

In real money I spent 9525.00 on that car from start to delivered, to collect 5750.00. But a man of integrity I am, I told you things that I was unhappy about but still go the all clear when you brought me over to cash the check at your bank, I cant refund anything on it but what I can do for you is a driveline swap into another G3 chassis witch I get 700.00 for, Ill eat that but you would need to get me the chassis or on one of my trips out there I could tow a chassis back for transplant. Or seeing that you have all theses things corrected, you could hang in there and look for a G4 for me to transplant off of your goodies into, Ill eat the same 700 for the transplant and you would only be responsible for the wiring And the transfer of your brakes, wheels and other things.

Again im sorry your not happy, what I have offered is the best I can do for you right now and even that this car will have cost ME over 10000.

Kirk J Doucette
www.nesho.com
SCT Dealer
1085 Welded”
I hope this gives you some insight to the issues I’ve had with this car since I bought it. Admittedly, I purchased the car sight-unseen, with no written warranty; however, I did so because I was given the assurance from Kirk that the car would be in good aesthetic and mechanical condition, and I trusted the word of someone so very highly regarded in the SHO community. I guarantee I won’t be so trusting again.

-Daniel Holtman
 

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We were on our way down to Paul’s again, so I didn’t have time to look at the car, aside from driving it off the trailer and into my driveway. I gave him the $5750, and we went our separate ways.

I'm not taking any side but if visiting a friend is more important than looking over a car you just purchased, think again regardless of who you bought it from.

It's pretty sad that a reputable shop would "glue" things, rather than going about doing it the right way. If this car is the "best" his shop could offer, I'd be worried for anyone else ever buying a used car from the same place. Also, it shouldn't matter how much money a shop has put in a car, it's not an excuse for selling a car in this condition.

If I was you, I would call a lawyer and see what can be done about a business selling a used car without functional safety standards [front bumper] and saying it's drivable.

Hopefully things get better! :thumb:


FWIW, there's a reason Doug at FPS "over charges" in others opinion, it's because he performs quality work and offers the best in the business.
 

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I am amazed, Kirk is a straight up guy. I think his solutions he offered are fair. In all reality, when he dropped the car off would have been the time to inspect the car. But I know how that goes. I am sorry to hear about this and hope you can, come to mutual understanding. Good Luck
 

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You paid 5000.00 for a car with a Refreshed motor and rebuilt trans, the trans is covered under warranty and if your not happy you can bring it back for warranty work.

Like I told CHIWAWA, I sleep well at night knowing that I do the best that I can for everyone. all of the things you have replaced on the car were in working order. Chris, Bob, Randy and myself checked the car over and gave it a green light. So I guess your saying that none of us looked at the car or know anything about the car that you purchased. lets break it down another way fo you.

I see that you joined the BOO HOO club and thats fine they need a fourth member.

You paid 5000.00 for a car delivered to Chicago from Boston Correct?

Lets say you purchased Dougs 6500.00 car, do you think you would be any better off? You saved 1500.00 with delivery! you were going to have to fly down and get the other one and drive it back and that would easily brought your total up to 7000.00! Ok so now your UP 2000.00! What do you think the odds are that the other car could also have the following known V8 Problems for a car that has over 100000 miles? was the other car Brand new? because it seems like you dont have any clue about these issues being BIG SHO issues.

Maybe you should have bought a local cam failure car for 3000.00 and invested in a new/ rebuilt motor that alone would have brought you over the 6000.00 price then in 3 months when the trans died yup theres another 2500.00 now your up to 8500.00 then you would still have the same SHO issues that you would have to fix. all of the ones that you list. so put it at 10000.00 but you would have done it yourself and I guess you would feel better and think hey I saved 2000.00 on the original purchase price! So I got a deal.

The endlinks were checked at motor swap (fine)
The endlinks were checked at Tranny shop (fine)
Ball joints were also checked at both places (fine)
MFS- all lights were checked here by Bob and I when the car was loaded (fine)
I personally charged the AC, it worked at the time it left the shop. proper pressures/ it cycled fine too blew nice and cold. You even said that to me.
Wheel bearings were fine (no noise) you found one worn but as you said you always do things in pairs. you opted to do them both.

ABS- again worked whe it left here, no light and no skidding in the parking lot.
Trans lines- you said it was pinched. Thats entirely impossible! if the line was pinched it would have blew off and leaked out all over the place (lots of pressure there!

The TCC solenoid. This one is plausible. I called my shop and asked about the replacement of these durring a rebuild. the Answer was No they are not needed. I called you and told you this, your response was dont worry about it if thats all it is Ill take care of that its only 25.00 and you have done it before. you also said that you would just replace them all seeing that you were in there.

Again I cant see how it failed because we test drove the car and it shifted just fine, but seeing that they didnt change them it is possible that they could have died after. After finding out that they were not a "replaced" item I made sure that they are now!

The rest of the problems are Nothing! they are part of owing a car. you say that the car was filthy, i called you and told you that there was no time for me to clean it and your response was dont worry about it I understand and thanks.

Like I told you in my email, I lost a great deal of money on that car! Not good business practice on my part but I thought I was doing you a favor. I guess I learned that people will never be happy no matter how hard you work for them, this is the second full car I have sold and the second one to complain about the car not being like new!

The Taurus SHO is a expensive car! it is even more expensive to keep up. You are on every Taurus Board (TCCA, V8sho, and here) you know all of the problems with the car inside and out. You stole that car! the tow out and for me to get back cost 1000 in fuel. so you got the car for 4000.00. I paid 30000 for my 97 and added another 25000 into it, at time of trade in I received 5000.00 for mine.

And the worst part of it, you live 5 minutes from one of the top V8sho guys in the country! Paul Nimz who just happen to be part of NESHO, when these problems the smart thig would have to been to go see Paul first and have him look at it, but you take it to the nerd and the chiwawa where they feed you with bogus info and put you in a different mind set where you think you got hosed, when all you need to do it think that -

"I got a **** of a deal, I know the car (v8sho) has lots of issues but I got a refreshed motor, new trans, cams welded, new wheels and tires ECT ECT ECT, for alot cheaper that anywhere and had it delivered to me at my house and saved over 2000.00 from the other car.A refreshed motor and trans cost more than I paid so I guess I got the rest of the car for free"

Again Ill tell you that Im sorry that you not happy and when you want I will switch over all you new componets into a chassis of your expectations for free. or stuff it in a Gen 4 for you and all you would have to pay for is the electronic part of the swap. If the trans continues to give you problems feel free to see what its like to drive 1000 miles each way for free and Ill have the trans fixed or replaced again at no cost to you the next day. Ill pay for the hotel as well for you.



As for your two parrots chirping in your ears about paying to much, ask one if thats true how could he take 8000k for the hail damage, and ask the other how his third motor is and how much longer before he puts his 4th motor in the car.

If you would like to talk to me face to face about it I will be in Kankakee on Sat of next week, Chicago AUG 15th and Sept 1 and about 5 other times after that untill the end of the year doing cam welds in Joliet.

Again I sleep very well at night knowing that i do my best for everyone and that you cant make everyone happy but at least you tried. :thumb:
 

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Hmmmm. Where to start. The Bullsh!t is so thick on this reply that it would be a disservice to the reader to try to answer it all in one post.

First - Name calling. Mature and Professional. Nice. Not unexpected, I consider the source.

Second - Put down the Metric calculator.
$3000.00 for a CAMFAILED car with over 100K? ! ? ! BAH HA HA hahahahahaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Try $700.00 tops. That's assuming a good body. You delivered a BAD body. Underspray on the panels, overspray on the glass. More Professionalism.

Rebuilt motor $3000.00? Maybe. IF it's REBUILT and not just REPAIRED. What kind of rings and main bearings did you put in it? New chain tensioners?
Good running used SHO engines are available for $1000.00. Throw in a $50.00 set of rod bearings and your HOW much better off with a NESHO "REBUILT"?

Trans's come and trans's go. $2000.00 is pretty much standard for your average tranny R&R. But those come PROPERLY installed, not with half crushed hoses rubbing between frame members until they cut through and start leaking. Blame the Tranny House, but wrong is wrong.

I get $1750. Most camfailures I've run across had fine transmissions - they WERE driving when the motor cut loose. But even in the event that the trans was dead before the camfailure, I get $3750 with a new trans. Not over $10,000.00.

That's just Delusional. But I consider the source.

You hosed Daniel. You sleep because you lack the ability to be ashamed of yourself. But once again, I consider the source.
 

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Daniel came to my house for the opportunity to see the famous 9400 mile SHO on the day I welded it, not to have me or Larry work on his car. His car spoke for itself.
Regarding going to Paul, I think he has. Let's leave Paul out of this.

FWIW - I went to Bridgeport Connecticut last fall towing a trailer and brought a SHO home for ~$400.00 in fuel.
huh.
Was Dan's "car" the only thing you were towing?

I don't see where my car's tornado damage has any impact on this thread but you brought it up. State Farm held the policy, only State Farm approved work was performed. I paid my deductible.
- $8000.00? I wish. Delusional, but, Say it with me - I consider the source.

Larry's car, more non-pertinent distraction.
His 1st motor lost coolant several times under your nose. Nice diagnosis.
His second motor was a Junkyard engine. Ran fine for 5000 miles or so and spit a rod bearing. Yeah - I'd blame that one on the installer too.....
Third motor is a refreshing of his 1st motor. The original pistons in their original bores at 175,000 miles have blowby. How SHOCKING!
BTW - I'm not competing with you to be the better grease monkey - YOU'RE on trial here, NOT Larry's engines.

When you come to Kankakee next week, bring about $3000.00 and your BEST apology face, or better yet, bring the full amount plus damages and a trailer.

You HOSED Daniel. Shame on you.
 

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I'll stop here for a while so you can spout doubletalk and call names like a big tough guy.
 

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Well I see that NESHO has taken the high road here. Let's be totally clear here. I had my Digiital Camera ready when I saw Daniel's Car.

I chose not to use it as Kirk and I are in a "running gun battle" over the definition of truth. I saw the shims, I saw the slopply ass paint job. I also asked Daniel if he was aware of any attempt to "Screw" Doug Lewis out of a sale. He informed me he was. I put the camera away. Why? Cuz I would use it, and at the end of the day that was, IMHO the wrong reason.

I have not seen Mike B's car that he purchased from FPS. However, I have it on good authority that it is one clean great running car. Does that in and of itself mean FPS sells better used cars than Kirk? Don't know. But I did go over Daniels car with a find tooth comb. IT IS A POS! SW9, despite all it's alignments right now would dust it. And my 96 would just embarass it with my tuning from FPS. (That was aided in no small part to Paul riding shotgun while we had an NGS hooked up to tell us what was going on)

No, at the end of the day the car that Daniel received, was not what was represented. Kirk is a savvy businessman. He doesn't loose money. Beth knows that I don't give a rats a$$ over the name callling the eminates from NESHO. I do care that people think because he's is a long standing member of V8SHO.COM. that he has stature. This simply proves different. I have personally met Daniel, I find him to be an articulate individual. Kirk just screwed the pooch on this one, and has not the stones to admit it.

Other than that I have no opinion. He may want to kick the ass of a 57 year old Vietnam vet - but he hasn't so far.
 
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Enough of all this Larry/Eric vs. NESHO crap. This issue is not between those parties, but between Dan, Kirk, and effectively the rest of us at NESHO that either worked on, or drove this vehicle.

I'll get this out of the way now, because it will inevitably come up. Yes, Kirk is a friend first, no I am not an official "employee" of NESHO. Friends help each other, and that's what my involvement in the car is. Kirk had a ton of things going on at the time that the final touches were being put on this car, and asked for help with it. I was more than happy to oblige, as he has obliged many times over for me.

Now onto the car issues. IIRC it was a day or two before the car was to be trailered to IL, and Kirk and myself gave everything a twice over before calling it ready to ship. All the lights were checked, I replaced one rear bulb (3157) and the passenger's side marker light bulb. At this point Kirk noticed that the passenger side tail light had a very small piece broken out of it on the top, outside of the lens area. The trunk was open, and that was the only way you could see the damaged area. Kirk decided that he wanted the light replaced, because in his words, he wanted "everything to be right with the car" before taking it out to Daniel. Not surprising, Kirk is very detail oriented.

I also noticed that the interior lights were not working at all. Thinking that the car must have had the common door switch issue, I checked for bulbs missing, and upon further inspection discovered that a previous owner removed the relay for the interior lights. A replacement relay was procured and installed, and as assumed, the two front door switches were not working properly. I then used some contact cleaner and WD40 in all the door handles, which corrected the issue.

All other safety items (wipers, high beams, hazard flashers, emergency brake etc) were found to be in working order.

I know for a fact that the moonroof slid back when the car was in Kirk's shop, because I had it slid back to allow shop lighting to shine in to help me see better when checking the interior lights.

The dash pad was "repaired" prior to arriving at NESHO, not sure if it was by the previous owner or a professional, however it did not look repaired. I personally lifted the pad slightly, and spent over 2 hours removing silicone adhesive/sealant that someone attempted to use to hold the dash pad down, and repaired it correctly. If there was adhesive anywhere on the steering column, etc., I did not see it, and obviously would have removed it had it been noticed.

Can't comment on the engine/trans stuff because all of that was done during normal business hours, I'm only there nights and weekends to help out.

I did have a chance to drive the car though, I'm guessing for about 40 miles or so running errands around town, giving customers rides, etc. This was done specifically so that any clunks, weird noises, or anything that didn't seem right would be noticed and repaired before shipping the vehicle. None of the noises/issues that Dan describes were there when I drove the car. Again, we're pretty particular about what we turn out at NESHO, if any of these problems existed they would have been repaired before delivery of the vehicle took place.

That's about all for tonight, but I'm sure there's more I could add once I get a good night's sleep and a fresh look at this.
 

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I don't have a dog in this fight because he got sidelined when Kurk drove Rick's old heap of shit in my backside and Daniel's at the same time. Now that's talent. As a matter of fact, Rick even saw the car that Daniel was gonna buy.

Daniel and I had a verbal deal. He knew what he was getting, he saw pictures, he had an out if he didn't like the car (or if he found out later that it was a pile of crap). Then Kurk back doored me, not to make a sale, but to get a lick in on me.

Daniel got used, abused and not even a kiss with a little lipstick.

Kinda sad when you think about it. Falling all over your ****** while trying to stuff it in 2 different backsides at once.

How embarrassing.
 

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Sorry Eric what are your qualifications? Also what’s the name of your shop where people can buy cam failure cars rebuilt and like brand new for 3700.00? Shit Ill even advertise for you at that price. But Im sure your not Paying taxes, employees, shop rent, truck and trailer costs.

Are you not the same Eric that has been recently thrown out of the SHOcago community? Also aren’t you the same guy that cant attend the SHOCAGO cookouts? Is that Because of your personality issues?

You cant judge me you have no recognition in this community, the only time you even come to the SHOFORUM is to bitch and whine about something that does not even concern you. Lets see.. Me At this years convention you want to see how many cars there I have welded vs You? How many of them are closer to you then me? Ill bet you that I have either worked on, sold parts to or donated parts to 80% of this years group of people at the convention. What the **** have you accomplished? You have welded maybe 100 cars and with a 5% failure rate. Oh yeah you made a SC car with plumbing from the home depot that never ran right.

In your own words "If 100 people get a welded and 95 of them don't blow up, in the big picture it is better than 50 getting welded 50 NOT getting welded and then those 50 blowing up".

This coming from a man with a lifetime guarantee!!!!!!!!!

"I wonder How Henry felt: from you again. "Henry Dinwiddie - tell the REST of the story. I went back to my records which were heavily notated as to how BAD the engine was mangled by a previous person. I COULDN'T put proper fasteners back in the heads - the holes were Cone shaped from having wood screws and other inappropriate fasteners rammed into them. The holes would have needed to be welded shut, re drilled and re-tapped. I noted every single screw and what a shame it was that I couldn't help any further with the mess poor Henry had. And I made it VERY clear to that poor guy that I had a real bad feeling about his motor." so you left it messed up basically?

Eric, if your going to do a job do it right, that means Drill and re tap all the problem areas, don’t say F it because the car is a piece of crap! Who cares!!!!!!!! It is the job of the mechanic to fix issues that you are "aware" of, from your statement above you were aware and did not fix the issue POOR FORM SIR! Did you offer him a rebuild? Nope I had to go out to Dixon Ill and bring them a good motor, I feel bad for these folks as they trusted you with their car and you hosed them. Now their out your cam weld fee and the cost of a motor and the installation charge. You think you got something on me From Mark in Ohio? I delivered them a motor that ran fine when pulled, I welded it and brought it to them, then all of a sudden it has a Bent valve. Sorry man but as My site reads im not responsible for things like that when they refuse to get the motor to me to look at and see what happened, a bolt, wood screw, clips from the cowling or anything could fall down there causing this. I cant be responsible for someone elses mistakes. I’ve installed over 100 motors without a single problem and welded 1100 cars without a single failure unlike you.

Of course No one knows about this because you and Larry are in Bed together and Larry wont allow it on list, nor will he admit on list that you two have called me 2 other times for F'ed up cars after you welded them for help and opinions.

What about those customers of your’s that had shims eject after you welded the car and you told them tough luck and refused to honor your lifetime guarantee? How many other people have reported shim problems in the V8 SHO motor? Nobody else. How many people have had problems with you that nobody knows about or that you and your pal Larry kept off the list?

Sorry but until you clear up all the issues with customers who you’ve left flapping in the breeze you really have no business lecturing me or anyone else on business ethics. *** meet kettle.

A lot of people on v8sho also think you a tard and a racist, you add your 2 cents in and more then half the time its nonsense and with statements like this one to me
"Yes, you will continue to be a car mechanic while I continue to be a respected engineer in my trade, a field in which you are not qualified to carry my jockstrap through the airport"

Daniel didn’t take the time to inspect the car before he purchased it, and since I never saw any of the problems that hes complaining about then I can’t know that they were really problems or him just being a nitpicker. He couldn’t leave the car alone until my next trip to look over the problems he said he was having so I could see what he was talking about and figure out how to square things away. His tranny is covered under warranty and if its not right he can bring the car here and get it taken care of free of charge, but the other stuff i can’t do anything since I didn’t see the problems. Im sorry hes not happy but he didn’t do anything to pick out these problems at delivery or inspect the car and just went ahead and started hanging parts and talking to you and larry who just filled his head with garbage.

I suggest that you go back to being a printing press engineer and leave the mechanic stuff to others with back ground in the field, tools and capabilities to work on the cars and not be a "camweld failure specialist"

Oh and unless you want to come to Spencer to hash this out don’t be calling this forum or anyplace else my turf. I’m a PAYING vendor here just like doug and josh and support the forum and the community. If tim and larry cant take the heat of a little contructve criticizing on the list and have to ban me because of their personal vendetta thats just fine by me because at least on this forum theres no censorship like that which you found out yesterday after making an ass out of yourself again.

Hey I got an idea why dont you carry those pics of your accident around again and make some more people feel bad for you, the best part of that story is that you failed to mention that you were racing someone and they out drove you and you crashed. I made sure to see everyone right behind you to inform them of this forgotten part of your story. People were straight out laughing at you! Also the funniest thing last year was when you were taking that special spot so no one would go by your 3700.00 cam fix car and you blew a tire on that curb! That had to be the funniest thing that I had ever seen and people could not stop laughing at you because of that. I will admit that car is NICE real nice! but you dont have to worry about anyone door dinging you because everyone elses car is just as nice!
 

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Hey Eric, between sucking in the gas of your ****** cam welds why don't you read at the bottom of Kirk's post where he offered to transfer all of Daniel's stuff into a chasis of his choice, Gen III or IV for FREE. There's a reason Kirk travels around the country, because he's good. I saw that car before it went out there as well. Ya know, Kirk called you a parrot because, well, you are. Daniel said his piece and then you couldn't just post one thing, you had to make TWO posts. Daniel is a grown up, he said his piece and Kirk responded. Parrots are annoying and don't shut up, just like you.
 

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Eric, as you were not even remotely close to a part of this deal, where does your "expert" opinion come into play? Maybe you are hallucinating, you do know drugs will do that to you right?

BTW, my car is the FIRST rebuilt cam failure by Kirk, 203,150 miles and going strong, but yeah, his work sucks. Your slag and failed after welded work is SOOOO much better.

Glove box - worked fine, as I opened it

Moon roof - worked as I tested it along with all the windows

Glue - There was no glue on the cluster of the column

The headliner was NOT falling down. If it is now, it is due to a "user error" try not pawing at it to fix your non broken moon roof.

There were no tears in any door panel.

There was no "tar" in any grab handle. I sat in every seat in that car in and entered through every door. Never touched any "tar" like substance.

Many of the mechanical issues are a "no warning" issue. My MFS stopped working randomly one day as I was driving it. My A/C stopped working one day as I was driving it. I de-shimmed mine, NOT knowing what I was doing in about 45 minutes in my driveway. I charged my A/C just this Saturday .... total cost, with a can of stop leak and an extra can of r134-a $34.00, so for $80.00 you must have put in a super duper 25.00 a can refrigerant, as it only takes three cans and you can get them for under 10 bucks each. The CD Changer is in a BAD location, causing a lot of failures. Mine does it, with NO warning. Take it out, take it apart, pop the cartridge (lever under the PCB - that was PCB Eric, not ***), blow it all out with some compressed air. I have brought mine back from the dead doing this more than once in a, what, 5 year span I have owned my current 97, with the same changer.

Honestly, you waited 45 days to decide you were unhappy with a car. 45 DAYS! On a car that bob G was going to buy himself. Buyers remorse, me thinks so.
 

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Sorry Eric what are .....

Blah Blah Blah, - Personal attacks - ...

Blah Blah Blah, - Typical Unfounded accusations - ....

Blah Blah Blah - Nothing of substance about the REAL issue of this thread - ....

Blah Blah Blah, - More lies and personal attacks -....

Nice to see that you are addressing the main issue. I seperated my replies intentionally to mainly talk about the car in one and all the distraction techniques in the other.

Like I said, Larry's motors aren't on trial here - YOU are.

You said Daniel would build the same car from scratch for over 10,000.00 but he would have the pleasure of knowing he'd save 2000.00 on labor.
I could build that car all week long for 3700.00 or pick up better on Ebay for 2500.00 all week long.

Shame on You. You HOSED Daniel. Keep spraying distractions around and telling lies. Maybe they'll all forget why we are REALLY here.

Don't forget your trailer this weekend.
 
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