oh also heres something to add...my car has a tow hitch on it...i think the previous ******* who owned it was towing a trailer around with it or something....that explains how it could have these problems even though its an ATX with low miles...I hear everyone saying it generally happens to MTX SHOs and not the ATX...That thing is coming off. I never would have bought the car had i known about it, but i bought the car in Florida and didnt know til i flew down there and saw it. I was completely misled about the condition of the car, I guess i shouldnt be surprised, but i got screwed. It looks almost mint inside and out but it was beaten.