Loose Crank bolt?

[boat]

$1200. I am figuring that to get that off to a front 60k, its going to take some heat. Not a big deal tho, I have a new SHO Source UDP to put on there, so if the current pulley gets trashed, not a big deal.

Other than the hack job of the engine swap, the car is really clean otherwise. New suspension, fuel pump, exhaust, tires.

The crank pulley face does sit higher than the crank face, so that's not a problem. Also, although there does seem like there's slop between the crank pulley ID and the crank OD, IMO it's an optical illusion created by the red loctite. There's chamfer on the end of the crank, that's what the space is. If you had that much clearance between the crank pulley and crank, it would have f'd up the woodruff key and crank pulley by now. Looks to me like the PO got confused on where to put the red loctite.

Too bad it's such a hack job, how much did you pay for this car?

We got it torqued to 150ft/lbs. Its all good... Thanks tho, thanks for letting us use that bar.

With the hood on, and that bar, you kinda gotta "click it" by hand to be able to use it like that.. Probally shoulda told u that... hold the bar up, and see if you can turn the socket end by hand a little..

Or pop that hood off real quick... not hard to do at all....

 

[St Louis SHO]

Why do you insist on throwing people under the bus?

 

[SeanMc]

Why do you insist on throwing people under the bus?

So this is what you were fb'ing about. LOL.

 

[boat]

Agreed that was probably not the nicest of things to do. But I have not insisted on throwing people under the bus on this crank bolt issue.

Why do you insist on throwing people under the bus?

 

[K-Dawg]

The only thing I see that I'd be upset about is the rust.

Did you use a puller to try to get the pulley off? Are you sure the red stuff is Loctite and not rust? I'm not sure why you're still fooling with the torque wrench. Just give it everything you can.

Frankly, if you're going to buy modified cars for $1200, you better get used to things not being done right, because most people don't do things the right way.

 

[boat]

For my choice in words in this thread, like "idiot", "*****" are really out of place. After reading through it I started realizing it does not sound good to refer to another person that way. Don't really care at this point what kind of flack I get for this apology. One never knows who reads what on here. Not sure why things were done the way they were. It is just something I have to find my way around and just fix it, deal with it, or just shut up about it.

 

[boat]

Used the torque wrench at the end to see where the torque was. It wasn't quite to 150ft/lbs, so we helped it the rest of the way. And it took everything we had to get it to 150ft/lbs for what we had to work with. Don't own an impact/air compressor, next on the list to purchase. There was not much swing to using that bar. Never have done it that way. Now I know what to do and use.

I will be using a puller here in a few weeks to dig deeper.

I agree about the price, and the condition of cars for the price I paid, was just thinking about this earlier today. I guess I expect a lot out of people. Sometimes too much.

The only thing I see that I'd be upset about is the rust.

Did you use a puller to try to get the pulley off? Are you sure the red stuff is Loctite and not rust? I'm not sure why you're still fooling with the torque wrench. Just give it everything you can.

Frankly, if you're going to buy modified cars for $1200, you better get used to things not being done right, because most people don't do things the right way.

 

[hawkeye18]

Used the torque wrench at the end to see where the torque was. It wasn't quite to 150ft/lbs, so we helped it the rest of the way. And it took everything we had to get it to 150ft/lbs for what we had to work with. Don't own an impact/air compressor, next on the list to purchase. There was not much swing to using that bar. Never have done it that way. Now I know what to do and use.

I will be using a puller here in a few weeks to dig deeper.

I agree about the price, and the condition of cars for the price I paid, was just thinking about this earlier today. I guess I expect a lot out of people. Sometimes too much.

Don't skimp on the gun! Better to wait longer and save up more for a better gun. You will regret buying a $30 gun...

 

[K-Dawg]

Used the torque wrench at the end to see where the torque was. It wasn't quite to 150ft/lbs, so we helped it the rest of the way. And it took everything we had to get it to 150ft/lbs for what we had to work with. Don't own an impact/air compressor, next on the list to purchase. There was not much swing to using that bar. Never have done it that way. Now I know what to do and use.

I will be using a puller here in a few weeks to dig deeper.

I agree about the price, and the condition of cars for the price I paid, was just thinking about this earlier today. I guess I expect a lot out of people. Sometimes too much.

With that 4 foot cheater, you should easily be able to get over 400 lb-ft applied to the bolt. I don't understand how you can't get 150 lb-ft.

You can't really tell what's going on with the crank until you get the pulley off, and it takes a puller to do that.

 

[Eric VerValin]

With that 4 foot cheater, you should easily be able to get over 400 lb-ft applied to the bolt. I don't understand how you can't get 150 lb-ft.

You can't really tell what's going on with the crank until you get the pulley off, and it takes a puller to do that.

Thats what I told him.... "Foot Lbs... " x amount of pounds x 1 foot. A 4 foot bar, if u stand on it, is 600 by my math. That bar got my 1989 F-150's suspension apart when an IR 3/4" couldn't do it.

 

[Bob Gervais]

Fer christ sakes it's a ******* crank bolt, the simplest of most things on an SHO. Do we really need to say anything more than tighten the **** out of it??

 

[Toolman]

Makes me wonder about the person he purchased the motor from. Just exactly where it came from and what exactly its history is. Because convienently no one seems to "know" the history about it, and they get defensive about it or they can't tell me anything about it.

Supposedly this engine was serviced by FPS 40k-50k miles before the engine went in the car, the documentation for that engine seemed to be gone, may very well be. I don't think Doug Lewis would let something that has these issues go out of his business, it would cause his business harm.

Woah woah woah!! Let's back up a moment here. Is this the engine that someone PM'd me about a few months back? Are you referring to me when you speak of the 'person he purchased the motor from'? Because if so, we need to remedy something right now and here.

 

[hawkeye18]

Woah woah woah!! Let's back up a moment here. Is this the engine that someone PM'd me about a few months back? Are you referring to me when you speak of the 'person he purchased the motor from'? Because if so, we need to remedy something right now and here.

Looks like it's time for a:

!

 

[Racer X]

:corn:

 

[LJRuddy]

Woah woah woah!! Let's back up a moment here. Is this the engine that someone PM'd me about a few months back? Are you referring to me when you speak of the 'person he purchased the motor from'? Because if so, we need to remedy something right now and here.

Subscribed. And I've got Tim's back with a level 90 Shaman.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

The previous owner acted really funny when I called him this past summer to ask him some questions about that engine and he immediately jumped to the conclusion that I was accusing him of lying or something. Lets just say we found more than our fair share of things "jerry-rigged" from when they did the engine swap in this SHO 17k miles ago.

So, if you've had the car for 10K miles, it's been what, almost a year (or more) since you bought it? I'd act funny too if someone I sold a car to called me a year later to ask questions about it. Well, maybe not "funny" but more like "go the f away".

I know the motor has a secret, and I have not liked what it has been telling me.

As far as the guy who offered $500, I know who he is, and he is here on the forum from time to time, at this point he shall remain nameless. I may try to contact him and see if he might tell me anything.

I am sort of at the point of not wanting to trust this engine.

It's a 15 year old used car. What were you expecting, a brand new car with a warranty? If you didn't do an adequate pre-purchase inspection, then that's entirely on you. What the previous owner(s) may or may not have done is meaningless; you still bought the car. It sounds like you've gotten more than 10K miles out of the thing before having to put any work into it. 90% of the SHO owners out there would consider that a big win.

Makes me wonder about the person he purchased the motor from. Just exactly where it came from and what exactly its history is. Because convienently no one seems to "know" the history about it, and they get defensive about it or they can't tell me anything about it.

Supposedly this engine was serviced by FPS 40k-50k miles before the engine went in the car, the documentation for that engine seemed to be gone, may very well be. I don't think Doug Lewis would let something that has these issues go out of his business, it would cause his business harm.

Why even waste two seconds thinking about this crap? Figure out what the problems are and fix them. How or why they happened is meaningless.

Here's a tip about buying used cars: sellers lie, and even if they aren't lying unless the seller is the original owner, anything that has happened with the car and motor before their ownership is 1000000% hearsay.

I can't tell you how many people have bought and sold 10-20 year old SHO motors that "only have ~70K miles" and were maintained by so-and-so, or the top Ford dealer in the country, or FPS, or friggen UPS. If the previous owner bought a motor from someone who was lying, or they lied to you, what the f*ck do you expect to do about it now?

Frankly, if you're going to buy modified cars for $1200, you better get used to things not being done right, because most people don't do things the right way.

Kelvin is right on the money here. Again, it's a 15-year-old used car. If you want a new car with a warranty, buy one. Stop whining about shit that's wrong with your car and either deal with it and fix the problems, or sell the thing and be done.

Waaaaaaaaah! :cry:

 

[Bob Gervais]

So, if you've had the car for 10K miles, it's been what, almost a year (or more) since you bought it? I'd act funny too if someone I sold a car to called me a year later to ask questions about it. Well, maybe not "funny" but more like "go the f away".

It's a 15 year old used car. What were you expecting, a brand new car with a warranty? If you didn't do an adequate pre-purchase inspection, then that's entirely on you. What the previous owner(s) may or may not have done is meaningless; you still bought the car. It sounds like you've gotten more than 10K miles out of the thing before having to put any work into it. 90% of the SHO owners out there would consider that a big win.


Why even waste two seconds thinking about this crap? Figure out what the problems are and fix them. How or why they happened is meaningless.

Here's a tip about buying used cars: sellers lie, and even if they aren't lying unless the seller is the original owner, anything that has happened with the car and motor before their ownership is 1000000% hearsay.

I can't tell you how many people have bought and sold 10-20 year old SHO motors that "only have ~70K miles" and were maintained by so-and-so, or the top Ford dealer in the country, or FPS, or friggen UPS. If the previous owner bought a motor from someone who was lying, or they lied to you, what the f*ck do you expect to do about it now?


Kelvin is right on the money here. Again, it's a 15-year-old used car. If you want a new car with a warranty, buy one. Stop whining about shit that's wrong with your car and either deal with it and fix the problems, or sell the thing and be done.

Waaaaaaaaah! :cry:

^ :withstupid:

 

[SHODWN]

Only issue I see here is that you dont have the proper tools to do a proper job. Maybe the guys before you had the same conditions and they made do with what they had.

 

[boat]

An apology...

I guess eating crow is what I am having for lunch today. My, my, this thread was busy since I was on last night.

In an attempt to clear the air, pure and simple, I overreacted once again. My stinkin' thinkin' gets me into more trouble and has gotten me into most of the messes in my life.

I owe several people an apology on here, I certainly never intended for this to blow up the way it has.

Toolman,
I am sorry for making that reference to you and that engine in the way that I did. As Mr. A said, it really doesn't matter now who did what when and had it serviced where. My statements were completely out of line, unfounded conclusions and accusations that really had no ground, all just hear say and suggestions. For that I am sorry, when I had found the things that I found, instead of digging in,figuring out why something was the way it was, then fixing it, I just started pointing fingers and letting my mind to run to the worst case sceniaro, at the same time as dragging people down. Rather I should have just picked up my tools, shut up about it, dug in, then ask questions later. Instead of throwing people under the bus and picking up pieces later. My fearful thinking has caused me more trouble in my life than I care to admit. Flat out, I was wrong, no question.

To the previous owner, I will try to make amends to in some way. Kirk is right. They did the best with the tools and resources they had. I have no right to call what they did a hack job. I really painted this SHO in a very negative light, its a nice car that just needs a little TLC to be a great car. And getting 10k out of it before it needed much, is a blessing.

Not sure why things were done the way they were. It is just something I have to find my way around and just fix it, deal with it, or just shut up about it. I agree about the price, and the condition of cars for the price I paid, was just thinking about this earlier today. I guess I expect a lot out of people. Sometimes too much.

Mr A, Kelvin
I will agree with you both 100% on everything said. A 1200 car is that and only that, it should have been expected to have some issues. As I was told by the po when I bought it, "Its not a perfect car, it does have some issues." I would say HUGE lesson learned here. Don't take anything for face value. In paying that much for a car, I should have not placed such high expectations on it as nothing in this world is perfect. I was told there were somethings wrong with it, and I expected those things. Some of these other items, I was not. As I have been told, "everything is suspect". I am sticking around, so it is time to dig in, fix it and shut up unless I have something nice to say. You are right, I cried like a little baby, as I said above, I should have just sucked it up and dealt with it in the right way. Which would have been researching it, then fixing it and not dragging anyone down. It was quite tactless and tasteless.

To the rest of you giving suggestions to help, I appreciate it, thank you.

I have upset a lot of people on this and for that I am sorry and ask/hope I can be forgiven. This is one of those time I wish to take back all the crap I dished out, but its out, so I have to deal with the consequences.

 

[hawkeye18]

Aww, don't worry boat, we still love you.