Limitations of fuel system?

[iminhell]

Never looked under the hood of a new SHO or done much reading about them. IMO the car is a big heavy tank and I really wanted nothing to do with one.
But I need a newer car. Something turbo and RWD or AWD. I'm more looking for a 2 door car but I found a SHO close to home for a reasonable price, high miles though.

I'm a fan of E-85. I've tuned both my Focus's for the stuff and liked the results.
Read a couple posts and it seems the SHO doesn't have enough of a fuel capacity to run Ethanol.
So what needs to be upgraded?
How is the HPFP driven? Is there an overdrive pulley for it?
Does SCT PRP play well with the SHO? (I'm very familiar with the software)

 

[SHOdded]

Tune + Methanol injection + 93 gas will get the SHO to run not only sub 4 second 0-60, but also very low 12 second 1/4 miles, possibly even high 11's. Reliably, all day long. It is definitely not slow. I resent any implication of the SHO's slowness . Of course, you should have all the pre-requisite maintenance uptodate prior to an attempt at world speed records.

E85 not necessary, though a little shot of it seems to help keep the engine purring & the tailpipes clean.

A true E85 setup requires a fuel system upgrade, from the LPFP forward up to the HPFP. The HPFP is cam driven. The 10-12 SHOs handle up to about 2200 psi, 13+ 2400 psi with OEM pumps from the datalogs I have seen. If you REALLY want to go that route, talk to Mike at ecopowerparts.com or Black Market Racing.

Yes, SCT software is compatible, in the sense that their X3 & X4 tuners both work with the SHO. The MyCal is the other popular platform currently for tuning the SHO.

And, oh yeah, depending on your attitude, welcome to SHOforum

 

[iminhell]

From a Made in the USA perspective, I'll only use Ethanol. So if I have to tune and upgrade parts, that's what I'd do.

Just a quick look at ecopowerparts.com doesn't instill any confidence in me. I'm not a fan of FIC's. With OBD/1 ECU's it worked because the factory ECU was to dumb to realize what was going on. With more modern computers, any add on ECU just seems to put the factory ECU into a panic. I look at it no different that adding a RRFPR for a ebay turbo kit. Bandaids.

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I see where the problem is now:

The pump is a suction style. With those to increase capacity you have to increase piston travel. That can be done by changing the lobes on the cam itself. Or increase piston diameter. SO it sucks a larger volume of fuel.
If the pump isn't at full travel when installed, machining the lobes on the camshaft should add some capacity.

 

[rubydist]

From a Made in the USA perspective, I'll only use Ethanol. So if I have to tune and upgrade parts, that's what I'd do.

So when the farmers use (mostly) imported oil to raise the corn that is made into ethanol, that makes the ethanol "made in the USA" and somehow better? That is the same kind of thinking that give us "electric cars are 0 emissions because you plug them into the wall", ignoring that there are emissions from the majority of the plants that generate electricity.

 

[iminhell]

I see where this is going to go.

I saw a SHO. Dealership must have been too busy to help me. So I looked it over and pretty quickly decided I don't want one.
The front bumper felt loose, the door handles felt cheap and the thing is just huge.

They had a new SEL and MKS on the showroom floor. I'd buy a Lincoln over a Ford for sure. Covering some of that cheap plastic makes the car feel that much better.


I'm going to stick to looking for a good used BMW.
(yes I enjoy fixing cars)

 

[AndrewGanoe32]

You do realize that ford makes and designs Lincolns right. And the mks lincoln is actually heavier than the sho. Go ahead buy a older and more miles BMW or audi whatever you prefer. Then you will find out the hard way that your going to have to put a lot money into that European car. To keep with us guys that have these sho's that running tunes on them like for example livernois stage 4 tune 93 octane. You sound like my wife's brother and father they ragged and made fun of us getting a sho and said oh we will run circles around that sho. The father has a BMW manual not sure what series but it is a v8 and her brother has an audi s5. So I raced both of them from a dead stop and put bus lengths on both of them. Then they bitched and said let's race from a roll so i dropped it into s mode and left them 2 European cars in the dust. You do have to consider that this is a family car that weighs 4500 lbs and a sleeper car it's not we are driving mustang gt 500 or super snakes here. We are talking about a 4 door full size sedan that will run low 12s with bolt on parts here that's pretty impressive.

 

[SHOnUup4]

2011 non PP SHO...just a 3bar tune got me a 12.44 with a touch of corn in the tank...bring on the beamer...lol

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[iminhell]

2011 non PP SHO...just a 3bar tune got me a 12.44 with a touch of corn in the tank...bring on the beamer...lol

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There's one I'm considering.

 

[SHOdded]

Not bad! Looks like a fun car on a fun run I guess if we added a proper intercooler to Rich's SHO, we'd be hanging with it pretty easy ... without E34 OR meth. What is easy to see however, is the BMW does put in better suspensions from the start. Any idea what mpg this wee beastie is putting down? And is the fuel system factory rated for the fuel being used? Ethanol puts a damper on mpg's.

I know for a fact that a 2013 SHO with a tune + E30ish fuel will put down 12.6/107 numbers consistently at the track.

 

[SHOnUup4]

There is an E/85 setup out there putting down an extra 180 HP over mine too...

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[SHOdded]

Trim Drive Type Trans. 0-60 1/4 Mile Source
2013 BMW 135
is Coupe RWD 6M 4.6 sec 13.3 sec @ 107 mph Car and Driver
2011 BMW 135
i Coupe RWD 7A 4.6 sec 13.2 sec @ --- --- Car and Driver
2009 BMW 135
i Convertible RWD 6M 4.9 sec 13.6 sec @ 104 mph Car and Driver
i Coupe RWD 6M 4.8 sec 13.4 sec @ 105 mph Car and Driver
2008 BMW 135
i Coupe RWD 6M 4.7 sec 13.3 sec @ 106 mph Car and Driver
i Coupe RWD 6A 4.7 sec 13.3 sec @ 105.6 mph Motor Trend
i Coupe RWD 6M 5.0 sec 13.5 sec @ 107 mph Motor Week

Trim Drive Type Trans. 0-60 1/4 Mile Source
2013 Ford Taurus
SHO Sedan AWD 6A 5.2 sec 13.8 sec @ 102 mph Car and Driver
SHO Sedan AWD 6A 5.2 sec 13.7 sec @ 103.2 mph Motor Trend
2010 Ford Taurus
SHO Sedan AWD 6A 5.2 sec 13.7 sec @ 103 mph Car and Driver
SHO Sedan AWD 6A 5.2 sec 13.6 sec @ 103.2 mph Road & Track
SHO Sedan AWD 6A 5.5 sec 14.1 sec @ 101 mph Motor Week

 

[rubydist]

the 135 is half the size of the SHO. how about comparing apples to apples?

you are right though, the fit and finish on the Lincolns is typically a lot better than the Fords.

 

[SHOnUup4]

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[iminhell]

Apples only applies never.
I have a dollar amount I'm looking to spend and I just want the most car for that dollar. The BMW's sound to be rather easy to modify (N54 engine) and not any more expensive to do so than anything else. The only thing I'd save on with a Ford is SCT Advantage. I'd just have to pay $50 for another ECU code.
From what I read, 400whp is pretty easy on E85 with a N54 BMW and I'd be pretty satisfied with that for a while.


And as far as the times,
I'm talking about modified cars. I could give a shit less what some magazine pro driver gets.

 

[SHOnUup4]

The BMW'S are nice cars...just seems like I hear alot of people hating the maintenance and fix costs.

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[SHOnUup4]

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[iminhell]

There is an E/85 setup out there putting down an extra 180 HP over mine too...

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I found that one. Actually a couple of them I found, if we're talking just the 3.5 eco's. Both are using a FIC though and that's not what I want. I want to retain the factory (only) fuel system.
I'm honestly surprised that no one's making a different fuel pump cam. I don't know what to call it but I think VW (probably diesel) has performance ones.
It looks slip fit. Probably a bitch to get to and you'd have to pull the cam though?

 

[SHOnUup4]

I know of only 2...1 built on stock block & internals, and 1 being built right now to push the limits towards 800+ AWHP.

Definitely not cheap, but there's something about the S-H-O that wraps people up and makes them go all out with them.

One of the best set of car enthusiasts around I think.

After all, they are a 4 door sedan with a 6 body trunk...land yachts they are.

The AWD system gives you a great advantage on the street...take those RWD times on the track and throw an extra half second on when entering the street.

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[iminhell]

TBH, the 135 runs the same on the street as the track. The TQ management is pretty good. And the really strange thing is they don't have LSD. It's all done with the brakes. And I guess the auto's launch best in 2nd gear.


Doesn't matter though if I can't run full E85 the SHO is off the table.
If I had a cam I could look into making a FP cam.

 

[SHOnUup4]

There is another guy running full exhaust and meth kit only...12.11, not bad for a simple setup on a 4400 lb sedan.

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