I have a meth problem

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Been running Alky Controls for the last 3 years, and Julio is awesome to work with. I also use VP Racing M1 methanol. Currently running there biggest nozzle which is M15.

Side note, I recommend the OP get an Gearhead Intercooler also. I have seen AIT2 close or below ambient outside air temps.
 

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I ran Alky Controls for awhile on my 2010 and worked with Julio who was phenomenal!

The reason a lot of the other guys kits say not to run full meth is because they don’t use lines and gaskets designed to hold up to it.

Snow uses plastic lines with click connectors which are notorious for leaking. I don’t know about AEM, but their controller looks legit.

Julio uses brass nozzles, connectors, and stainless steel braided lines with a rubber lining designed to handle methanol, and claims to swap out the gaskets inside the pump for better longevity with methanol.

Even then he strictly recommends a service cycle on the pump based on the percent of methanol used with 100% meth having the shortest cycle.

Loved his stuff and although I said I would never go meth again, I’m considering it for cleaning purposes unless I can get someone to fab a 7th injector setup..
 

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Which alkyl controls kit is best suited to the SHO...using a 50/50 mix, progressive spray and usually only on WOT...
 

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Which alkyl controls kit is best suited to the SHO...using a 50/50 mix, progressive spray and usually only on WOT...

Depends on the tune... a progressive spray usually means it ramps up the spray based on boost... so not just at WOT.... this is why you tie in the controller to the map sensor so it knows exactly how much boost you have at any moment....

There is only one kit from Ally Controls...

And most use 100% meth but you can use whatever... 50/50 of that works for you...

You will need a tune for it unless you are capable of tuning the alky kit for your tune.
 

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Alky Controls has been the standard for the 10yrs. I've been involved with this platform. The mere fact you haven't heard of them until this thread, could be due to the fact that you just joined the community within last few months.

Their owner Julio has been beyond exemplary in assisting customers over that time span.

Many will attest to stellar product and service/assistance.

I'd have to check his site, or speak to him directly to find out how long he has been in the business prior to my involvement, but suffice to say your presumptions of them being small, or somehow dying off, are likely short sighted at best. No offense.

AEM's good to for sure.

I feel like I struck a nerve here. Let's slow down. Just because I've owned a SHO since November does not mean I was born in November or stumbled upon forced induction or W/M injection in November. Since his site shows kits for GTOs, suckstangs, vettes etc you would think I wouldn't need to own a SHO to hear of the company. Again, the company seems stellar, pricey but stellar. BUT, He is a small operation that started in '03. Devil's Own dominated the meth world back in 2010 or so. They had the best nozzles out there. But being the best didn't keep them from going belly up within the last 2yr. D.O. is/was a younger company than Alky but only by a year or so.

ALL I'M SAYING is AEM has been around since 1986. They are more than a safe bet for longevity and I would imagine they do as much if not more R&D than most other companies except Nitrous Express on nozzle design. The hard truth is all the companies use the same fluid pump that's been used for fertilizer spraying and such on farm equipment for decades, the progressive controllers all behave the same, the only differences are hoses and nozzles. Again, I have been playing with meth injection for 15yr (that sounds illegal).

I just don't want someone coming into the meth game having the same problem I've been having, which is having to change and adapt my systems with new parts from different companies because the company I bought from went away.
 

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Devil's Own is a great company, but their owner lost a grueling battle with cancer a few years ago and his wife is trying to keep his legacy going but not having much luck. They're local to you and me but very hard to get a hold of, and the last time I needed to get a new nozzle it took almost 6 months to get here since they are sourcing everything from China now.

Unfortunately we made the decision last year to switch all of our sourcing to AEM for meth kits, and we haven't encountered any issues thus far.

Thanks for the knowledge. I was able to get parts from them 6mo ago but as of late, they do not reply to anything. It makes sense why now that I read your post, unfortunate. I used to be able to just run over to their house and Ernesto would open the garage and help me out. I miss that.
 

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@ sky.....

No nerves struck my friend.

Was just pointing out that Alky's good peeps and they've been used by a lot of owners on/in/with this platform with great success. Myself included.

And if you noticed, I also agreed that AEM's good stuff as well.

Appreciate the background you provided. Like I said, I was unaware how much longer Alky had been around, without me having to dig further/research.

Anyhoo, I know I'm a developed addict/meth head, so here's to inspiring the OP to become the same!

Cheers

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I feel like I struck a nerve here. Let's slow down. Just because I've owned a SHO since November does not mean I was born in November or stumbled upon forced induction or W/M injection in November. Since his site shows kits for GTOs, suckstangs, vettes etc you would think I wouldn't need to own a SHO to hear of the company. Again, the company seems stellar, pricey but stellar. BUT, He is a small operation that started in '03. Devil's Own dominated the meth world back in 2010 or so. They had the best nozzles out there. But being the best didn't keep them from going belly up within the last 2yr. D.O. is/was a younger company than Alky but only by a year or so.

ALL I'M SAYING is AEM has been around since 1986. They are more than a safe bet for longevity and I would imagine they do as much if not more R&D than most other companies except Nitrous Express on nozzle design. The hard truth is all the companies use the same fluid pump that's been used for fertilizer spraying and such on farm equipment for decades, the progressive controllers all behave the same, the only differences are hoses and nozzles. Again, I have been playing with meth injection for 15yr (that sounds illegal).

I just don't want someone coming into the meth game having the same problem I've been having, which is having to change and adapt my systems with new parts from different companies because the company I bought from went away.

I don't know if so much struck a nerve. I find it pretty shocking that you haven't heard of Julio at Alky Systems since you have been using meth for 15 years. Quick search (eff Google) yeilds the results below. Julio's Company is second behind Snow.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=methanol+kits+for+cars&atb=v215-1__&ia=web
 

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SM105K, Not to scare you but duckduckgo is clearly logging your web usage. Alky was 6th place for me lol.
 

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SM105K, Not to scare you but duckduckgo is clearly logging your web usage. Alky was 6th place for me lol.

DuckDuckgo doesn't log your web usage. That is why I use it primarily.

It was 6th on my actual listing as well. Behind a couple of articles, a blanket Summit racing search, and Snow. Then AlkyControls. I said second, because it was the second direct Methanol kit company in the search.
 

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Alky Control 100% Meth here m5 and m10 nozzle = 1500cc. Never a problem, never a leak. Replaced the pump after 2 years as directed now a pump rebuild is only $80-85? ****. Never heard of AEM meth kits prior to 5 years ago but that doesn't mean they weren't around. AEM made cool stuff for my old 94 Honda Accord EX lmfao! First car I starting modding! Had AEM power pulleys and an AEM Big brake kit for the front, Zink coated drilled slotted rotors in the rear. 18's, slammed on coilovers, custom dual exhaust and those clear wanna be Lexus taillights! Slower than dogshit and I thought I was the man! Haha! Vtec man....lmfao!
 

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I know I'm new here and I'm not even a SHO, but in the middle of an Aquamist HFS-4 direct port install. I been using them for years and probably the most advanced WMI system on the market. They don't use PPS (as most systems out there do), but rather utilize PWM via IDC to reference. Anyway, not knocking the other brands, but I will say Aquamist is way ahead in the WMI technology department. I do realize, in some regards, they aren't as "pretty" as some of the stuff ProMeth is doing, but the performance speaks for itself. Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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I know I'm new here and I'm not even a SHO, but in the middle of an Aquamist HFS-4 direct port install. I been using them for years and probably the most advanced WMI system on the market. They don't use PPS (as most systems out there do), but rather utilize PWM via IDC to reference. Anyway, not knocking the other brands, but I will say Aquamist is way ahead in the WMI technology department. I do realize, in some regards, they aren't as "pretty" as some of the stuff ProMeth is doing, but the performance speaks for itself. Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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As the name states, is Aquamist compatible with 100% methonal?

I checked out Aquamist and they do demonstrate an excellent spray pattern/atomization at partial throttle compared to the progressive pump used in the demonstration but who's PP was used? I'm not a tuner but when I think about partial throttle and an inconsistent or weak signal for pump activation, the engine isn't at peak boost or anything close....so let's say my Alky PP in a partial throttle didn't spray/atomize efficiently as Aquamist....would it even matter? If I'm at 5-7psi boost and it's barely getting ramped up...but I'm also tuned for 19 psi....but my Pump doesn't even spray until 8psi anyway....and assuming Alky PP would he as weak as the PP used for demonstration ...not sure if where Aquamist shines, is a point in which any damage would occur? And are those plastic lines?

Just trying to think this through, hypothetically ...or Aquathetically in this case.

Lol seriously though I believe I follow your build on IG, it's pretty badass man! Of course I think Alky Control is the best bc that's what I use.
 

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Oh yes, any variation or ratio of methanol. I am personally running 100%. I actauly started out years ago with an Alky kit on an Evo build I did back in 2008, but soon switched over to Aquamist as I believed their technology to be sound and Richard, the owner, is a true engineer who provides personal assistance at every turn. I been using them ever since.

And although, the PWM injection method they use is miles ahead in technology versus PP, it's no just that. The fact that IDC (and you can pick a few other options to reference to include boost, which Alky references) is used as the main way to reference your injection points is a huge selling point for me. IDC is a WAAAYYY more accurate depiction of the load your car is under at any given time.

Now, I'm not knocking Alky, because theirs (and others) does what it's supposed to do. Does PPS work? Yes. Does using only boost as a reference work? Yes. I just feel like they are all in the stone ages, while Aquamist is on the cutting edge. Using IDC as a reference alone maximizes how the meth is being utilized. The PWM method maintains the life of your pump as well. Put it like this, Aquamist systems are closer to mimicking an actual, modern fuel injection system. Our platforms use PWM to inject fuel and maintain pressures properly, as does an Aquamist system.

Here's a wiring diagram they provide with many of their kits. Mine was the first 3.5, So I had to have them build this, but as you can see, it's got failsafes built in as well.

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As for the "plastic" lines? Yes I get that all the time, but I will never use any sort of metal lines. They are actually high temp PTFE. The type of heat that they begin to fail at is WAY higher than anything the engine bay should will ever see, unless it's on fire, but then I have other issues, lol. Aquamist specifically uses these lines to avoid any type of heat soak the methanol will see while it is sitting in the lines before being injected. And they are secured with barbed/threaded fittings and will not leak or separate.

All the small details combined make me a lifelong customer. Plus, it doesn't hurt that their stuff is seen on many WRC cars, and those things take a beating. But, it's always about choices and all those other brands do a fine job and I am sure you will be happy with them. I was just giving you another, less familiar option.

And thanks for the compliments and for the follow. I been hiding in the shadows for a long time, lurking, LOL. The Explorer Forums are pretty dead so I like coming here, I just don't know how much input I can give since I'm not a SHO. It's been a great place so far though and I appreciate everyone who's helped me out, whether they knew it or not.
 
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Honestly the first I heard of Aquamist was from looking at your build. And not that I know all of have seen all, just never heard of it I guess. It definitely looks like a great system and very well designed....a little intimidating as far as install, you have to access the PCM. I do some slight wrenching but I'm not a mechanic. I love the simplicity of install with Alky.

Definitely cool kit and you'll have to let us know your impressions once you get it up and running! Very nice build.
 

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Yeah, it looks intimidating at first, but if you're okay with wiring, its actually pretty simple. A lot of folks have never heard of Aquamist and I've spoke with the owner about this. He's got zero online presence and their kits are sold by word of mouth, which speaks volumes to me. Especially considering they've been in business for so long.

This is roughly what a typical system consists of:
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As for the PCM, I'm not sure how it is on the SHO, but it's super easy to access on the explorer:
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As for your questions about the PPS systems at low flow or before full ramp up, it's really about atomization. The atomization of the methanol at low flow using PWM is more accuarte. Just some good resources for those of you who might be interested in finding out more about PWM and PPS systems and how Aquamist compares:

A very good, in-depth long read on PWM systems. Specifically check out the section on the proportional valves controlling flow (as most PPS systems use) and the fast-acting valves PWM systems use and how atomization at different duty cycles is affected:

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1413320

Some videos making comparisons:

http://s1013.photobucket.com/user/Aquamist-videos/media/PWM-V.mp4.html

http://s1013.photobucket.com/user/Aquamist-videos/media/PPS-S.mp4.html

PWM on the left, PPS on the right. Notice when flows stops, the PPS nozzle has to ramp down and even "dribbles" a bit. The PWM is "on/off", better control.

Again, PWM on the left, PPS on the right. Check out the comparison when they switch quickly.


2 PWM nozzles switching back and forth:
 
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