How do I remove the back seats? Replacing fuel pump

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ALWyzBrknSHO

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How do I remove my back seats so I can get access to the gas tank? I have my Chiltons, and the dang thing shows how to remove everything BUT the seats. Anyone know how or where the bolts are?
 

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There are two hooks on the lower seat cushion. One on either side. You just push in and then pull upwards. The lower cushion will slide right out. This will expose two bolts on the bottom of the seatback. Remove these bolts and slide the back upwards.
 

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Ok I found the hooks youre talking about, but where do I press in? I can fell where they hook around and are connected I think, but I also see a small metal bar with a small hole at the bottom of it.

Do I push the whole seat in? Or just the metal hook? When I'm pushing "in" does that mean push it back towards the rear of the car? Sorry for all the stupid questions, im just clueless in these kind of things.
 

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Push in on the seat itself. "In" being like you said, towards the back of the car. Just do one hook at a time, I find that is easier.

<small>[ January 24, 2004, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: yellowSHO ]</small>
 

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I guess all I really need to do is remove the lower cushion to get the gas tank. Which slid right out like you said! Thanks a ton for that, now I see the bols you were talkin about to get the upper part of the seat, but I guess I dont need to take that out. Now I have access to the cloth insulation under where the lower seats were. The cloth kinda slides out which now shows me the metal part of the body which is going to be cut now.

I've seen a writeup somewhere though of where to cut exactly though, I can't find it on the search function. Anyone know what the best kind of way to cut this is? Would a dremel with a small saw blade be adequate? The fuel pump is on the passenger side so i'm assuming I can cut a square out of the metal on the passenger side, but I don't wanna start cutting until im sure.

Another question being, does cutting some of this sheetmetal out affect the frame in truly negative way? I know its a small piece, and its not part of the actual subframes, just wondering if it affects anything greatly? Thanks again!
 

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Well this is going really well. My friend and I used a dremel to cut out a panel right above the fuel pump. Its too dark now to work on it, but the fuel pump is ready to come out and be replaced. I am so looking forward to this, tomorrow my car will run again (crossing fingers), for the first time since the 4th of July.
 

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Glad you got the access panel cut without any problems. The actual replacement of the pump isn't too difficult.

Let us know when you finally get it back on the road!
 

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Just another question to add to this topic. I just bought one of the 190 high volume fuel pumps. I dont have a manual. Have heard about poeple cutting a area underneath the seat cushion. Is that the rightwasy to do it for these cars? Or are you suppose to drop the fuel tank? I know how tyo remove the seat. (never know what or how much $$ you'll find under there.. lol
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The correct way to do it is to drop the tank from under the car.

Some of us have cut an access panel for ease of returning to that area in the future, for the ease of doing it with only 1 set of hands, and for rust considerations so the fasteners and straps won't break. There are minuses to cutting a hole so make your best judgement on this avenue.
 

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95mtxshobuild:
Just another question to add to this topic. I just bought one of the 190 high volume fuel pumps. I dont have a manual. Have heard about poeple cutting a area underneath the seat cushion. Is that the rightwasy to do it for these cars? Or are you suppose to drop the fuel tank? I know how tyo remove the seat. (never know what or how much $$ you'll find under there.. lol
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Haha I found 88 cents when I took the seats out. Yes the easiest way though is to just cut yourself a panel. My friend and I used a dremel. You can look at this link here and you can see where you have to cut on the passenger side.

Access Panel Instructions

Just be sure to unplug the battery and relieve the pressure in the fuel lines as added protection and try not to cut too deep as the lines are pretty close to the metal youll be cutting. If you use a dremel, be sure to have about 4-8 of the bits with you. Only takes a short while, then you have room to disconnect the lines, and pull the pump out.
 

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luigisho:
The correct way to do it is to drop the tank from under the car.

Some of us have cut an access panel for ease of returning to that area in the future, for the ease of doing it with only 1 set of hands, and for rust considerations so the fasteners and straps won't break. There are minuses to cutting a hole so make your best judgement on this avenue.
What minuses are there?
 

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SHOman247:
it weakens the structure on the car since the body is the frame on a unibody car
You've got to be kidding from that access hole? Ford Contour's come from the factory with this same access hole. If anyone is still concerned install Subframe connectors and STB's on your SHO.
 

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ALWyzBrknSHO:
Yea I was afraid of that, how big of an effect is it though?
I'd say not very much as the access panel is not that large. I have noticed no drawbacks to doing this modification and when I actually get my pump replaced it will be a breeze.
 

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The only real drawback I can see is related to a rear end collision.
I like the idea of having a quick and easy way to swap pumps, but I also hate the idea of providing a very nice entrance for fumes and fuel to enter the cabin in the event of a crash.

I have considered cutting a panel, but as rust free as my SHO is, Im just going to drop the tank shrug
 

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NotSoSlowSHO:
The only real drawback I can see is related to a rear end collision.
I like the idea of having a quick and easy way to swap pumps, but I also hate the idea of providing a very nice entrance for fumes and fuel to enter the cabin in the event of a crash.

I have considered cutting a panel, but as rust free as my SHO is, Im just going to drop the tank shrug
I know you are going through the back seat, but for those looking to your thread for help on installing the Walbro, here is a nice link to SHO Times FAQ on dropping the fuel tank. Includes nice photos.
http://www.shotimes.com/php-bin/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=75
 

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I found it very easy to replace my pump by dropping the tank. Just drive the car untill the low fuel light pops on. The lighter the tank, the easier the job gets. I'd rank this as one of the easier jobs that I have taken on concerning the SHO.
 

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I dropped the fuel tank when I replaced my pump a few months ago and experienced no problems with rust or corrosion of the straps or anything like that. I just used some PB Blaster and a little patience and everything came apart fine. Before I dropped the tank I emptied it completely. I did the job myself, starting at about noon, and had it done in less than a complete afternoon. I used a few blocks of wood and a plank to prop up the tank until everything was disconnected, and used the same setup to help me get the tank back into place.

The empty tank was not heavy at all and once it was removed I was able to examine it for potential problems and also look for any traces of rust or corrosion on the body of my New England SHO (none wink ) that are normally hidden by the tank.

My humble opinion is that the tank should be emptied and dropped if you are going to replace the pump. If you run into problems with corrosion of the straps and associated bolts then it's probably a good idea to replace those too, since they are only going to get worse and having a secure fuel tank is a good thing. For me, cutting a hole in my SHO to make an access panel for an item that should only have to be replaced every 100K is not worth it, especially knowing that I can get to the pump in another manner which is relatively straightforward and does not require me to alter anything. shrug

Like I said, just my .02. :)
 

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