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Well, about SHO SHOP, all I have to say is good and bad things, only a couple negatives but all I have to say is that Tom is awesome and never fails to not hook me up or get the problem resolved. I had BIG problems with my catless Y-pipe when I first bought it, I had to cut it, bend it, coat it, and weld it, and the dang thing still leaks and my car always smells like exhaust inside(I still think it leaks from the rear manifold). I also still think my SHO is running Waay too rich and that's after trying to get it de-tuned for running in Colorado, now I'm almost at sea level and she is still running rich, but is SOOOOOO Much faster!! I have ordered thousands of dollars worth of stuff from SHO SHOP (not just for me) and I'd say 90% of it was good quality and a good to semi good experience although I do have to say that I was scared to order from there while Tom was gone.

SP Motorsports was great, I only ordered a couple things from there and I had no problems, and was shipped very quick, awesome experience.

SHO NUT is the shit!! I can't remember who I talked to, I think it was Nick Chrimes? but he was awesome and was very patient with me (thats when I wasn't set-up for Pay pal) though. I ordered my quaife and all of the parts to re-build my tranny through them, I also ordered a host of other goodies and don't have one complaint.

Cincy SHO, I really don't know about them, it's a toss up, I don't really care for them, and I ordered a set of fog lights for my friend from there and it took FOREVER! I also don't really care for the guy who buys all of my crap I put on ebay from there, he always takes forever and when I send him e mail reminders he always responds with something sarcastic.

Gary Morrell, I saved this one for last because I am pretty up-set about this one. First impression was Gary was a great guy and he has a very nice work set-up and it's very clean, he knows his SHO shit and I am 100% behind him on the single exhaust. I had him do a re-build on an 89 tranny for me because I got my car completely stck in third and it wouldn't come out and I thought I blew my diff but it's so low I couldn't see under it and my car was at Home Depot for like 2 weeks in the parking lot, LOL. So I ordered a used 89 and delivered it to him, he broke it down told me what needed replaced and told me not to replace the bearings when I wanted to do a FULL re-build, so I had the parts sent to his house and delivered the quaife to him as well. He put it together pretty quick to tell you the truth and I picked it up and he was dry shifting it for me on the work bench and it seemed really nothcy right from the start as he quoted me "This will be one of the smoothest trannies you'll ever drive" I got it home and had it put in that day with mobil synthetic ATF and man was it notchy, BUT I just figured it was because it was new and needed some break in time, to make a longer story somewhat shorter the third gear was grinding like the month later and 17,000 miles later it was gone again after havng brand new syncros installed during the re-build??? So I E-mailed him (not the nicest E-mail but I just invested 3 grand wouldn't you be ****** too?) and he goes into these long drawn out e mails accusing me of driving my car hard and his (informant) tells him he sees me street racing every weekend?? He also kept reffering to the SHO tranny as pretty much junk and that adding the quaife only puts more stress on the internal components making it a weaker tranny all together??? I still have all of the E-mails as their quite amusing but I eventually apologized to him and was asking him about having the syncros cryo treated and never heard from him again, but he pretty much told me that my clutch is what made the third gear syncro go out and that it wasn't his fault and have a good day, go figure, make what you want out of it but I am still really not to happy abut it but what can I do? It's not my daily driver any more and I have a whole new respect for syncros but I don't have any funds to fix third gear so it will just have to wait I guess.

Man, I am sorry this is sooooo long but at least I got everything out, I hope this doesn't offend any one as I was just trying to share my experiences with you guys. Thanks, sorry about the typing errors/mis-spelled words, it's 3:30 am and I really don't care about mis-spelled words at this moment, LOL, plus I am still trying to get over the fat that I can't even see my white SHO any more the snow is so deep and my titanium 89 out front is almost invisable too, it will be by tomorrow, dang snow!!!!!
 

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New blocking rings + synthetic ATF fluid = notching and stiff shifting, regardless of who put the thing together.

Always run organic ATF on fresh rings and be easy on them for awhile. There are several past threads on the this subject.

Gary is a pretty straight forward guy, and pretty well respected in the SHO community. He's got a lot of knowledge and experience.
 

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Thanks, I never heard about not running synthetic first in a tranny, I've heard about it for re-built engines only. Gary didn't mention that to me.

I heard nothing but good things about Gary before I had him re-build my tranny, and after talking to him I could tell he knows his stuff, that's why I had 100% confidence when I had him re-build it, but after going through that experience with him and hearing what he had to say after my tranny went bad really turned my good experience with Gary into a questionable one. I just know that I wouldn't have him do it again, I mean I know people do make mistakes, but after spending 3 grand I'm just not too happy. I just wanted to share what happened to me with others, Thanks
 

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You know Gary is right when he says the SHO tranny is the weak link. The quaife just replaces the POS Diff and does nothing to help the internals, especially third gear. You mentioned third took a shit in the first tranny, then again in the freshly rebuilt tranny. Maybe you are just a little too ******* trannies?? Not trying to start anything, I just know Gary takes very great pride in what he does, and he takes the time to do it right. Not to many guys that take the temperature into acount when re-assembling a tranny.
 

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Emerald94:
"SHO NUT is the shit!! "
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying?
Was it a good or bad experience? :confused:
Very good experience, notice how in the end of the description I said "I also ordered a host of other goodies and don't have one complaint."

Yeah, they're great, I was very pleased with my experience with them. I will hopefully have more in the future.
 

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twrsho:
You know Gary is right when he says the SHO tranny is the weak link. The quaife just replaces the POS Diff and does nothing to help the internals, especially third gear. You mentioned third took a shit in the first tranny, then again in the freshly rebuilt tranny. Maybe you are just a little too ******* trannies?? Not trying to start anything, I just know Gary takes very great pride in what he does, and he takes the time to do it right. Not to many guys that take the temperature into acount when re-assembling a tranny.
I thought about it like that too for a moment(abusing my tranny), BUT I usually don't shift hard into 3rd especially not power shifting, but I slam it into 2nd gear power shifting it over and over and over again and I would have thought that syncro would have been the one to go first. The thing that bothered me the most was that it was grinding a month after I installed it and hadn't even pushed it yet, it was just regular street shifting up until that point and one night I started to get into a race with a stang and regualr shifted into 3rd and whah lah mega grindage and it's been gone every since. I know that the SHOs tranny is the weakest link, and I don't take offense when you say that maybe I'm a little too hard because your only going off of what I have told you and it does sound like that could be the problem but I don't feel that way, I do feel that part, or most of it could probably be just because it's the transmission syncro itself just being weak.

I finally have my own ford manual now and this summer I am going to rip a tranny, if not my own tranny apart and give myself a lesson. While I have it apart I'm going to see if I can have any if not all of the syncros shot peened and cryoed or anything to strengthen them up, I guess I'll just have to see when I get it apart.

Keep the comments and questions coming and I'll keep doing my best to respond and give answers, thanks
 

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Chris you seem like the kinda of guy that has a lot to say. thumbs_u
I hope you meant that in a god way right>? LOL

I always think too much about everything, and have so many ideas laying around it isn't funny, I have notebook after notebook of scetches and ideas that I just don't have the time or money to do, yet anyhow, it's a slow work in progress.
 

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Chris Kauffman:
PROPHET:
Chris you seem like the kinda of guy that has a lot to say. thumbs_u
I hope you meant that in a god way right>? LOL

I always think too much about everything, and have so many ideas laying around it isn't funny, I have notebook after notebook of scetches and ideas that I just don't have the time or money to do, yet anyhow, it's a slow work in progress.
I meant that in a total positive way.

Its refreshing to see some one with so many questions and ideas about this car.

Its this kind of thinking that will give us many future mods. thumbs_u
 

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Chris Kauffman:
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Chris you seem like the kinda of guy that has a lot to say. thumbs_u
I hope you meant that in a god way right>? LOL

I always think too much about everything, and have so many ideas laying around it isn't funny, I have notebook after notebook of scetches and ideas that I just don't have the time or money to do, yet anyhow, it's a slow work in progress.
I meant that in a total positive way.

Its refreshing to see some one with so many questions and ideas about this car.

Its this kind of thinking that will give us many future mods. thumbs_u
Thanks, I appreciate the compliment, and I hope your right about the future mods, I do have some planned for this summer, but I can't say right now, heheh, but for now I only will be selling the aluminum subframe bushings, and I'm working on getting the steering wheel hub adapter ready to be sold with some type of an instruction manual or just sell the whole thing pre welded already. Again thanks for the compliment...........
 

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powershifting is one of the first ways to blow up a tranny. I can understand completely why Gary is not standing behind it, especially if he installed a new third gear.
 

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"SHO NUT is the shit!! "
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying?
Was it a good or bad experience?
THE SHIT is like THE BOMB. Both are good things. Why it had to be THE SHIT is beyond me, but I will second it!
 

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powershifting is one of the first ways to blow up a tranny. I can understand completely why Gary is not standing behind it, especially if he installed a new third gear.
I only power shift from 1st to 2nd, not into 3rd because of my first experience with 3rd gear going out. Yes, he replaced all of the syncros, but like I said above, the main reason I was pretty upset was because it was grinding a month after I put it in and hadn't even slammed it into any gear,

just wanted to clear that up.............Thanks
 

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What kind of clutch was in there, and was the unit new and releasing properly? Quick shifting a tranny with a clutch that doesn't want to release good can burn up a blocking ring in 1 bad shift. You just glaze up the friction material (almost like a clutch) the ring is all black and burnt when you pull it out. The rings are the workhorse friction material when it comes to shifting, so cryo'ing a synchro won't do a thing.

Pull it apart and put a fresh set of blocking rings in there, check the "clutch teeth" on the 3rd synchro and 3rd gear. They have to be *totally* hammered for shifting to be bad. If they are ok, put it back together and be easy on it with some fresh organic ATF for a maybe 1000 miles. Lay off the powershifts till the rings have some miles on them. Mobil synth, redline D4, etc are good for open track where the quaife cooks the fluid up over 250F. For your street/drag racing, you'll find better shifting with good 'ole organic ATF.
 

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mark,

what kind of clutch do you recommend for drag racing with nitrous?

we have a new member J95SUPRATT. he has a BPU twin turbo supra, but his daily driver is a 91 SHO. he wants to install a quaife. but i have no idea what kind of clutch do use with nitrous.

the post is in the open forum.

Robby
 
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