fuel E30 or meth

[bpd1151]

I never said he wasn't correct SM.

I supported 99% of his entire post.

However, I did simply clarify his numbers as it relates to improvements with METH, as those were ambiguous.

I'm too far invested in my own setup to switch at this point. Although I like the BORG reference as I'm a big Trekkie myself, I don't plan on switching over to E.

Ever.

I don't care to be figuring out how much I have in my tanks currently, then trying to add to an existing mix, a mixture of pump gas and E.

Toss in the fact the Taurus employs saddle bag type tanks (which in and of itself causes variations), phase separation, and as you said, testing your own fuel, it's not as much of a "set and forget" as you purport.

Too many variables for my liking. No thank you.

But I understand why it's a preferred option as not all areas of the country offer 93 pump gas.

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[SM105K]

So the real question BPD is.....

DS9 or Voyager?

 

[bpd1151]

Keep in mind, the HPFP is anywhere from $1,600 to $2,300 up front.

Whereas the Alky Controls kit can be had at $900 to $1000.

Rebuilt pumps from Julio run $90. Pumps last 2.5 to 3 years. So I chalk up a METH pump replacement as simply being routine maintenance.

Definitely VOYAGER.

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[StealBlueSho]

Just curio

Just curious. Do you have to do periodic emission checks?
Shoblock

No at this point.. but if more city slickers keep migrating out to where I live... its just a matter of time..

But to your point.. as long as your car is reaching readiness via the ECU.. then a OBD Emissions scan would pass. I dunno if they put the probe in the tail pipe...

 

[SM105K]

Keep in mind, the HPFP is anywhere from $1,600 to $2,300 up front.

Whereas the Alky Controls kit can be had at $900 to $1000.

Rebuilt pumps from Julio run $90. Pumps last 2.5 to 3 years. So I chalk up a METH pump replacement as simply being routine maintenance.

Definitely VOYAGER.

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Good, we can still be friends.

 

[bpd1151]

Good, we can still be friends.

LOL.

Captain Janeway. Bellana Torres. Seven of Nine and the Borg Queen would each/all get it.

They all accelerate my warp coils. Haha.

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[SM105K]

LOL.

Captain Janeway. Bellana Torres. Seven of Nine and the Borg Queen would each/all get it.

They all accelerate my warp coils. Haha.

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Not going to lie, I love me some Jerri Ryan....

 

[bpd1151]

She's from Chicago originally. Owns restaurants now in her post Star Trek life.

Oh well, we better not muck up this thread any further.

Back on topic now......

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[StealBlueSho]

 

[SM105K]

^BLAHAHAHAH, make it so.

 

[StealBlueSho]

Back on topic... Here is snap shot of IAT2 (air temp at the intake manifold) between my Gearhead Methanol tune using the alky control kit from LMS and my Gearhead E30 Tune using the new GH intercooler... ambient outside was almost identical... same with boost...

 

[SHOdded]

The methanol tune being on the 2010.

 

[BamSHO]

it basically comes down to what you want out of your car and how easy it is to get either methanol or E85. My case is was easier to get methanol than E85 in my area. Now it Sheetz is carrying E85 at the remodeled stores here. Both fuels have there pros and cons.

Yes methanol you have to replace the pump every couple years and replace seals at the washer tank. The pros are not having to worry about spending money on a catch can- cleans the valves, IAT2 drop like a rock when spraying, and yes will work alot better with the new GH intercooler which I have bought, if you buy VP Racing M1 it will be the same no matter when you buy it.

E85 you basically just put into the fuel tank and your done, no carrying extra methanol or filling the aux tank, worrying if the meth pump will spray when called on too. Downside is that E85 can vary so much at the pump, depending on the supplier and the time of year. There is less ethanol in the winter blends, and have you looked at the tag on the E85 pump at the gas station. Here is says it came vary from 55% to 85% ethanol content, or you can get a batch too hot which I know can and has happen to someone I know. It was E97 and his car went lean on a run.

So like I said pros and cons to both.

Now back to dyno numbers, who FREAKIN CARES!!!! If you can't use all that power and put it to the ground, and/or breaking parts, its useless. Plain and simple. Doesn't matter which aftermaket company it is. It all comes down to safe, reliable power end of story.

 

[SM105K]

I am not against Meth. I am against using Meth as a power added on this platform. Meth is the same as wet nitrous set up in my book if you are using purely for power. You are depending on the Meth for extra octane and the cooling properties. If the pump fails (like a wet nitrous system) and you are running hot.....damage can happen. More parts, more lines, more ways to fail. You can actually use water for the cooling properties...but I digress.

I will put Meth on my car in the future. It won't be tuned for power. I will have it tuned for the cleaning properties of the valves. Yes, it will cool the charge air even cooler then the GH IC here in Phx? Yep. Will more HP be the net gain? Probably. ****, I might yank the intake, port it, and walnut blast the valves.

Running Ethanol is the easiest way to make more power for dirt cheap. It is safe and reliable if you do your diligence. Once again, you are using it as a performance enhancer. If you are not willing to test the fuel source every time you fill your tank, then you shouldn't being running Ethanol period. Yes, pump Ethanol varies from product to product. It is up to the user to determine the percentage and mix it correctly. Testing it at the pump literally takes less then a minute. You need a tester (8 bucks off amazon), water, and that is it. The fuel calculator does the math for you.

 

[SHOdded]

I see your Meth-od operandi, SM105K!

 

[76FoMoCo]

So I ended up with the meth and E30 tune is in the works to...
So pictures of a few key parts. I did notice in BPDs pump pictures the bottom of the pump head is above the outlet port of the washer bottle. This will make the lower part of the take below useless as the tank low point will now be the level of the pump intake. So I found a bit different location this let me mount the pump lower.
also I mounted the washer fluid lower tank in front of the factory washer tank as tight to the frame rail as I could. I also put in 2 lines into it 1 for the fill, this line go's into the bottom of the upper tank. the second line go's into the side of the upper tank to help vent the lower as you fill it. I just didn't take a picture with the tank installed
So here are a few picture of it. I did as the rest and drilled the hole from the firewall next to the blue plastic piece below the brake peddle and mounted all the controls behind the glove box and just put the gain controller in the glove box

 

[76FoMoCo]

I also did just what everybody told me not to and over drilled the hole in the lower washer tank and had to order a second! I also mounted the pump prime/on light in the lower part of the dash and just used some black gorilla tape to hold it in place. I didn't want to drill the dash and is easy to slide the wire in between the dash and the rubber covering the top of the wheel. I opted to not install the low level switch and light in the after market lower washer tank as there are no worries if I run out of washer fluid. as for the meth tank I just used the factory low level for the washer tank so if this come on it will be the factory low level for the washer tank telling me I'm getting low on meth.

 

[CCXVI]

Damn I want that intercooler, hoping the cost comes down eventually.

 

[76FoMoCo]

do respect the guys trying to keep this thread on track as it did get derailed at post #2. Just wish #2 would have started a new thread about his new product.

 

[SM105K]

Technically E30 is the best bang for your buck period. Next is the IC (set in, retune, and forget), then Meth.