Eibach springs with OEM struts

[TRSCobra]

Hey, I found out the hard way that moog cc's and stock springs are different. I cut a coil off my stock front springs (idiot) and they were too short for the struts. So I bought a set of the Eibach's. My stock struts are still good enough (good ride and no leakage,) so I'm going to try this combo until I get the cash for the tokicos/konis.

Anyone know how bad this'll be?

 

[SHO_Diehard]

Well, I put Ford SLO struts on with eibachs and within the first mile I knew it would suck. There was some pogo action immediately, and it got worse over the next 5k miles.

I've driven my '95 with eibach/konis on the front and the stock setup on the back, that actually works fairly well. Of course you would have to lay out some cash to get the front struts. You can order Konis for just one end, not sure about tokicos.

You may be wondering why I bought SLO struts. The parts guy did not tell me the early SHO struts had been discontinued, he just ordered the SLOs instead.

 

[TRSCobra]

Yeah, I figured it's gonna suck. We'll see how much cash I have left after doing the quaife/fidanza/fibertuff, etc. As to whether I stay stock or go Tokico (don't feel like doing inserts.) I might just put the Eibach's up front for now because it sits low enough in the rear already.

 

[ES_8CH_OH]

I have been unhappy with my Moog CC and Monroe Sensa-Track set up which was installed in March '05. Before the installation of the new parts the rear strut mount was making noise while the rear was sagging. One of the rear struts was shot as well. So I had all the struts and springs replaced while the mounts were being replaced.

The Moog CC's fronts have one coil off and the rears are untouched. The ride is firm and handles corners well on smooth pavement but does not comfortably absorb bumps in the road which results in a jarring ride. It's not even close to riding right. The rear springs allow little travel as the rear inside tire comes off the ground when backing out down my driveway onto the street. The ride quality is quite similar to riding in the far back seat of a school bus.

I am considering trying to find a set of GEN II ATX stock springs that are not trashed, which is virtually impossible. The other option I am considering is replacing my Moog CC's with Eibach pro-rate spings. I have used the Eibach pro-rates in my Mustang with great success and am happy with the ride and performance with KYB struts and shocks. My Mustang has a softer ride without any pogo action and handles well. I'm just looking for a comfortable ride in the SHO at stock height, or close to it.

I have read the Eibach springs offer a 1" drop up front while the rear offers a .5" drop. Is the drop even noticable in appearance or ride quality? I would like to keep my Monroe struts and go to stock springs or Eibachs but from what I have read, it seems the Monroe's will not survived the Eibach springs and Tokico or Koni struts are required.

Does anyone using Eibach or Moog CC springs have any helpful insite here? If you have good set of stock springs you would be willing to part with, let me know.

 

[gosho89]

Good luck, the stock struts if new will maybe go about 6k miles before the pogo effect really kicks in.

 

[slickn56]

Does anyone using Eibach or Moog CC springs have any helpful insite here? If you have good set of stock springs you would be willing to part with, let me know.

If you think the moog cc springs are a stiff ride, then just wait til you see what eibach has in store for you. I have Moog CC cut 1.5 front and 1.0 back with tokico in one of my shos, it rides amazing smooth compared to my Silver sho with Eibach and Tokico. Moog CC are not a performance spring. The eibach car will run circles around the moog car, but then again it all comes down to if you want ride comfort or performance. If you want ride comfort, then I think you are in the wrong car.

 

[gosho89]

If you think the moog cc springs are a stiff ride, then just wait til you see what eibach has in store for you. I have Moog CC cut 1.5 front and 1.0 back with tokico in one of my shos, it rides amazing smooth compared to my Silver sho with Eibach and Tokico. Moog CC are not a performance spring. The eibach car will run circles around the moog car, but then again it all comes down to if you want ride comfort or performance. If you want ride comfort, then I think you are in the wrong car.

Thats why Koni's are a much better option! Maybe more money but your SHO will retain a almost factory like ride when the koni's are adjusted to the sport setting. I've had both tokico's and Koni's with eibach's on SHO's, there is no comparison. My Bullitt came from the factory with tokico's but koni's and H&R springs are in the works.

 

[Shoaz]

I agree with the other sentiment here: the OEM struts will likely be underdamped for the Eibachs. Get a stiffer damper like a Koni or a Tokico and you'll be set.

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

The eibach car will run circles around the moog car, but then again it all comes down to if you want ride comfort or performance. I

Before you start making claims like that, youd better do your homework.

While the Moogs are not sold as a "performance" coil, the coil rates are VERY similar to that of the eibachs, and are progressive rate as well.

 

[ES_8CH_OH]

While the Moogs are not sold as a "performance" coil, the coil rates are VERY similar to that of the eibachs, and are progressive rate as well.

Should the Moog CC's be paired with Koni's since they are progressive like Eibach springs? Perhaps the ride will not be so "bouncy".

 

[DHMag]

i have had cut Moogs with Tokicos for nearly 2 years with no ill effects. yeah, the ride is firm but thats what i wanted.

 

[ES_8CH_OH]

Do you think the CC's and the Monroe is a bad combo? Do I need a better strut?

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

My Moog/Monroe setup works great IMO.

You could benefit from a more performance oriented strut though. Ive always considered the sensatracs to be "borderline" enough to handle the Moogs.

I too have somewhat of a "jittery" ride when the road becomes rough. The sturts simply cannot handle the heavy-duty coils in such a situation. But in most cases, they work fine.

Ive got over 30k now on my Moog/Monroe setup, and I couldnt be happier. Especially looking at how little money I spent on the setup.

 

[slickn56]

Before you start making claims like that, youd better do your homework.

While the Moogs are not sold as a "performance" coil, the coil rates are VERY similar to that of the eibachs, and are progressive rate as well.

What do you mean do your homework? I own two seperate shos, one with eibach/tokico and one with cut moog/tokico. Both with completely fresh suspensions. I can most certainly say that the eibach and tokico setup will out handle the moog tokico set up any day. I wont lie in saying that my girlfriend prefers the moog setup more, but for pure driving enjoyment the eibach/tokico setup is optimal for me. The only difference between the two cars suspension wise would be the police subframe busshing as opposed to the gen 3 subframe bushings..... which probably dont play much of a role. The sway bars are the same on the 92's and 93's, so the only difference between the two cars is the springs.

 

[DHMag]

not every car handles the same. to compare a suspension setup, it must be on the same vehicle, not one like it. i have had Eibachs on several vehicles and always found them to be more of a lowering apring than a peformance spring. the Moogs have a stiffer spring rate than the Eibachs.

 

[gosho89]

not every car handles the same. to compare a suspension setup, it must be on the same vehicle, not one like it. i have had Eibachs on several vehicles and always found them to be more of a lowering apring than a peformance spring. the Moogs have a stiffer spring rate than the Eibachs.

Your pretty funny! "Eibach's are a lowering spring and not a performance spring." What-cha smoking? I'm guessing you haven't driven or rode in a SHO during a Open Track event. I spent 3 years in events and would not even think of another spring offered for the SHO. Lets just say the eibach/koni setup on a SHO- with koni's adjusted full firm converts the comfortable SHO into a corner carving slot car, it doesn't get any better unless you go to coil overs.

Funny thing is that I don't know a single performance shop that encourages cutting springs for any track use. The guys up here in the N/W that have cut springs are usually the ones that talk about how fast they are but never sho up for a Track day. hummmm

Its all in what your intent is and budget but facts are facts.
Koni's and Eibachs are money well spent for the multi purpose uses of the SHO.

 

[DHMag]

Eibach's are a lowering spring and not a performance spring.

then why does Eibach advertise their springs as performance springs ?

 

[gosho89]

I'm confused DHMAG? here is your quote "i have had Eibachs on several vehicles and always found them to be more of a lowering apring than a peformance spring."

My posting was to justify that in my opinion that they are a performance spring........ or am I missing something?

 

[DHMag]

its funny that you edit your posts after the fact, trying to make me look a fool.

 

[625]

I have the Eibach Pro kit with new OEM struts. Rides nice, but after 20K, the struts are obviously not working properly. Still, it's much better then it was when I picked up the car with 82K on it. I couldn't justify spending well over 500 dollars on struts at the time. Does any company offer a strong strut for a decent price?