Eaton M90 intake pics

[SonicRiot]

Ok guys, help out a former SHO owner. I'm sure this thread will be moved, but it will probably get the most traffic here.

I'm interested in the possibility of S/Cing my X, which is a 3.0L similar to a Duratech 3.0L bottom end. I need some pics of Eaton M90 (cheap option, easy retrofit) intakes and setups to see if this is even plausible.

The engine bay is tight, which is why I haven't looked into a cenrifugal setup, but I do remember seeing a couple SHO's with Eatons. Can't find the pics, but looking at them might steer me... uh, somewhere.

Thanks for any help.

 

[sho_bc]

cut a hole in your hood, mount it on top. ....or, search out NotSoSlowSHO's sig, there is a link to his build in it.

 

[SHO Dude]

Here is our centrifugal kit. It's easy, but it's not cheap.





All of what you see was installed without lifting the car.

The blower kit and everything else goes in from the top. Now this car has a few goodies in it that effected the power output, like stage I cams and one of our custom transmissions, but the blower kit itself can be installed in the drive way.
Cost? A bunch. The blower kit itself starts at $4500. That's the blower, brackets, shaft drive, belt drive, intake plumbing, discharge plumbing and oiling system. The tuning upgrade kit is $2000 and includes MAF, injectors, modified fuel rails, chip and tuning. Installation in our shop is $1000.

 

[SASHO91]

uh.... eBay...

 

[Off Road SHO]

I put a Roots style Eaton on the side of a SHO motor in my offroad car, but that is an application where I had lots of room to play with. It worked very well and gave me gobs-o-torque. In your application it would take a bunch of modifications to fit it in there on the side of the block. Your best bet would be to build a new intake manifold with the blower and air-to-water intercooler sitting on top of the motor.

What are your plans for the car?

Tom

 

[SonicRiot]

Thanks guys.

My plans for the car are at this point are only sketches. I've figured out the suspension setup I would like and the brakes, but I'd like some more power. The car i quick as it is, but more power is always better.

I go to SCDA events at Limerock. More power is just more fun!

The car has actually been for sale for a while. I tried to trade it in on a 2004 GTO, but I will either get ***** on the trade or I have to sell it myself. The car is fantastic, I just got bored. I had planned on picking up another SHO as my daily driver if I got the GTO.

Since it appears as none of this is happening, I've decided to look into a SC setup. Since M90s are pretty abundant and the intake on the Jag 3.0 is huge and ridiculously tall (similar to SHO with intake tuning flaps), I figured an M90 might mount nicely in place of it. The engine is transverse mounted, but it also has an extra belt drive on the right side of the block, so that might be a possibility for a belt driven SC.

Without a buttload of mods to the car, turbos are out of the question, which is sad because I have 2 Porsche K16-2 turbos in my garage. This has to be reasonable. I'm not looking for a monster, just some more power.

Let me know if anyone has some good ideas. Maybe I should ditch the 3.0 ans stuff in a modded 3.4 SHO V8...

Thanks again!

 

[Jonny Cash]

Post a pic of the engine bay. Theres gotta be a way to fab a bracket to you accesories, and get some plumbing to your throttle. An Eaton seems like it would be a HUGE project compared to a centrifigal blower.

That thing doesent have a clutch does it?

 

[Off Road SHO]

An Eaton seems like it would be a HUGE project compared to a centrifigal blower.

X2 PD blowers are very difficult to "add on" to a different vehicle. They need to be "designed" into the engine more.

A rear mount turbo would be the easiest, I would venture to say. Some bigger injectors and a different fuel pressure regulator and some good tuning and you'd be all set.

Tom

 

[SonicRiot]

Post a pic of the engine bay. Theres gotta be a way to fab a bracket to you accesories, and get some plumbing to your throttle. An Eaton seems like it would be a HUGE project compared to a centrifigal blower.

That thing doesent have a clutch does it?

You're right. A centrifugal and an extrude honed intake seems like it might be the better option. I'll post some pics tomorrow of the engine bay.

And yes, it is a stick-shift. Another consideration was that a roots blower might grenade my trans with too much boost. Hmm. Supposedly parts are not available for my transaxle...assembly only. Bleah.

With the rear-driven PS pump being where it is, it would actually eliminate the need for a shaft to drive the blower off the back of the engine like in ShoDude's kit.

Unfortunately, I know next to nothing about centrifugal blowers and have no idea what to use. I know considerably more about turbos, but I've pretty much eliminated the possibility of a turbo because I'd like to preserve the cats for emmissions reasons. Gotta pass every 2 years in CT. I also am afraid to step into the headache of custom manifolds to fit a turbo.

There's pretty much no aftermarket performance parts available for this car. Last year Arden wanted $8000+ for a custom mapped computer. A company called JagXP sells a cheesey "cold air" intake that apparently nets like a bajillion horsepower . SuperChips had custom made a chip for the BonSpeed X, but I've talked to a couple SuperChips dealers who were unwilling to look into this for me.

So even after this is "figured out," I'll still have a lot of figuring to do to somehow tune the car.

I don't know!! This is looking too scarey. But it would be friggen awesome. I guess I just miss the adventure of my SHO.

 

[SonicRiot]

Ok, I got bored. Here's some pics


Vanity covers removed

Driver's side: Batt & Rear driven PS

Dinky rear-drive belt

Passenger's side: ABS module and accessories

Wierd intake

Underneath it's tight. The transaxle is on the driver's side, but the T-case takes up any remaining room for a rear or low mounted turbo on the passenger side behind Bank 1. This car is a lot smaller than a Taurus and is much tighter. Any ideas?

 

[the on going reality of shopower]

wow those cars are front wheel drive - AWD i always though they were like the Lincoln LS. Sorry can't help you but i was shocked.

 

[somedude_001]

I thought the only thing shared on the jag engine and the taurus 3.0 tec was the block. I thought the jag had different internals too.

do those cars have problems blowing trannies?

 

[yamahaSHO]

Here is our centrifugal kit. It's easy, but it's not cheap.





All of what you see was installed without lifting the car.

How do you get the oil back to the pan then?

 

[SHO Dude]

How do you get the oil back to the pan then?

The supercharger is not lubricated with engine oil.

 

[SASHO91]

ATF then???


I think you mean that it's not using the engines' oil.... right? It still uses motor oil correct?

Seperate pump/tank/filter?

 

[Jonny Cash]

Ok, I got bored. Here's some pics

Driver's side: Batt & Rear driven PS

Dinky rear-drive belt

Underneath it's tight. The transaxle is on the driver's side, but the T-case takes up any remaining room for a rear or low mounted turbo on the passenger side behind Bank 1. This car is a lot smaller than a Taurus and is much tighter. Any ideas?

Could the blower replace the space of the battery? Its hard to see with that big goofy airbox in the way. "jaguar V6" hmm.. It almost seems like it could work.

All I can think about looking at that is a SHO V6 stuffed in there. Very possible.

 

[Sho Amo]

your best mod for this car costs like 5 bucks at autozone


a for sale sign

 

[SonicRiot]

Ahahah! I've been trying to sell, but no luck! My gf and my brother want me to keep it. My gf remembers my SHO days and my younger brother wants to buy the car (like that'll ever happen!).

The Jag X shares nothing with a Taurus. It has a shared platform in Europe known as the Ford Mondeo, but this car is a LOT smaller than a Taurus and has nothing to do with a Contour or Cougar, so there is virtually no aftermarket. In Europe, FWD and deisel variants of the X are available, which is why the engine is transverse, but the car is biased 60%RWD, 40%FWD. Under poor road conditions, it can bring the FWD up to 60% and it also has DSC which can be turned off.

The Lincoln LS platform shares with the S-Type. No AWD variants are built on that platform.

Relocating the battery is a consideration for either a blower or even a turbo. Hmm...

I did consider a SHO V6, but the power output of the Jag is rated virtually the same. It also has variable valve timing AND intake tuning butterflys, so it's a bit more modern than an SHO V6. The torque band is actually higher and broader and it comes on at least 1000 RPM earlier than an SHO V6. It's a Duratech variant (supposedly), so any SHO technology learned by Ford is in my engine too. So it'd be pointless and slower in the end.

 

[SHO Dude]

ATF then???


I think you mean that it's not using the engines' oil.... right? It still uses motor oil correct?

Seperate pump/tank/filter?

Yup. It's plumbed into the transmission and runs off the **** system of the tranny. Then returns to the top of the tranny thru the top of the side cover.

 

[SonicRiot]

Upon closer inspection, I figured out the rear belt drive appears to be the waterpump with a tensioner, driven off the back of bank 2's camshaft, not the PS. There looks to be a waterpipe running in the valley, but I can't tell with the airbox in place. And now it's dark.

What I did notice is that the battery is on a painted metal tray that is bolted to the inner fender support. It can be removed and a world of space looks to be available, however, there is a oversized starter above the transaxle, so turbo plumbing would be pretty tough.

Relocating the battery would be an option, but after the plumbing to the TB is finished, there is no place for an airbox. I'd have to stuff a cone filter somewhere.

An air-air IC is also not looking great. I'd have to go with an air-water IC. Anyone have any info or guidance on this?


What centrifugal blowers are most of you guys running?

Thanks for daydreaming with me guys. Anyone want in on the project, let me know!