Clutch kits and more

[OzzmanNT]

Last week I picked up a 1991 Black SHO with 130k on it with a blown transmission. The tranny is completly shot, the diff looks like it blew clean through the bottom of the tranny. Right now the car will not even move (not even by pushing it, it is stuck in gear and the front wheels will not turn). Either way I'm trying to find an MTX from the local junkyards and toss in it. I assume every MTX is the same from 89-95 and shouldn't worry about what year it comes from?

Next is the clutch, while the car is apart I need to get myself a good clutch kit. Everyone I've talked to says that I should get a SHOnut Cermaic TOB and toss that in there while I'm at it. I need somewhere I can get a good price on a clutch kit, I want this car to be able to handle my abuse and be my replacement daily driver and I'm wondering what everyone recommends. I'm also thinking about getting the 8lb flywheel from IPT, hows everyone's experience with this?

I know this probally shouldn't be in here but I was wondering if a Gen II center console and steering wheel would work in the Gen I. (Yeah i'm gonna receive some crap for asking this I know it )

1991 SHO Specs
130k engine
Rod shifter
Plus hood
body and interior are in excellent condition (front clip is a little messed up at the bottom)

Sorry if the post got a little long, I have no experience with the V6, just the V8.

<small>[ June 08, 2003, 10:58 PM: Message edited by: OzzmanNT ]</small>

 

[Machspeed]

There is no more shonut clutch. If you wanna give it abuse, id recommend something like a southbend clutch or spec clutch and a quiafe diff, you can get a good clutch for under 500, the southbend rally is 285. Good luck finding a spare tranny, you shouldnt have too much trouble. Check out car-parts.com.

 

[olympic]

All MTX's from all years are the same. Junkyards will try and tell you that there is a difference between rod shift and cable shift but they are the same. Try a search in your state on http://car-part.com

SHOnut still sells the ceramic bearing(but no clutch kit) and it's a wise upgrade. And often times you can buy clutch kits without the bearing so you don't have to pay for it twice.

 

[OzzmanNT]

http://www.dxdracingclutches.com/ <- that seems to be the distributor for south bend clutches

1989-96 3.0 SHO w/9 ¾" flywheel
$285.00 Rally
$430.00 TZ
$465.00 DXD

They don't say what is the difference between them. I'll give them a call later.

 

[Blue-By-U]

They do under the product info link at the bottom of their page.

I'm getting the TZ one myself. The rally seems to be a small improvement from stock in terms of durablitity and performance while the TZ can be compared to the SS Hi Revs Jr.

<small>[ June 09, 2003, 12:38 PM: Message edited by: Blue-By-U ]</small>

 

[Machspeed]

Does the hi revs jr. cnotain kevlar?

 

[masho95]

www.shonutperformance.com has a new line of clutch's up and HD Pressure Plate's with HD straps and rivets. I'm going with the 9 puck fibertuff clutch in the next week or so, with the HD pressure plate.

 

[shojuan]

Did somebody say the $265 Autozone clutch kit (that's the Cumberland kit isn't it?) is stock OEM Valeo disk and pressure plate? + a throwout bearing. If so then I imagine the $55 Cumberland disk is a stock Valeo disk. Hmmmm, maybe I'll go with Josh's reinforced pressure plate and Ceramic bearing plus all the wear parts and then go with a $55 disc from autozone. Since I'm doing the labor myself I figure if it holds plenty good for how I drive the car then great. If it turns out that I could use a stronger clutch then I save my pennys and spend a friday night and a saturday doing another clutch job maybe going with a kevlar disk.

I would really prefer a totally stock feel. Grabbing and chatter makes a car feel cheap to me. The SHO is already cheap enough. Until I'm convinced that a kevlar disk can behave with zero grabbing and chatter (anybody nearby wanna let me test drive theirs?) then I think I should just try a new stock disk first.

 

[srfdude]

shojuan:
Did somebody say the $265 Autozone clutch kit (that's the Cumberland kit isn't it?) is stock OEM Valeo disk and pressure plate? + a throwout bearing. If so then I imagine the $55 Cumberland disk is a stock Valeo disk. Hmmmm, maybe I'll go with Josh's reinforced pressure plate and Ceramic bearing plus all the wear parts and then go with a $55 disc from autozone. Since I'm doing the labor myself I figure if it holds plenty good for how I drive the car then great. If it turns out that I could use a stronger clutch then I save my pennys and spend a friday night and a saturday doing another clutch job maybe going with a kevlar disk.

I would really prefer a totally stock feel. Grabbing and chatter makes a car feel cheap to me. The SHO is already cheap enough. Until I'm convinced that a kevlar disk can behave with zero grabbing and chatter (anybody nearby wanna let me test drive theirs?) then I think I should just try a new stock disk first.

Yup, thats the one. Only problem it doesn't work, and until I and my mechanic get it apart and see what happened, can't recommend it. Other than not totally releasing, it has a soft feel, and very easy to engage. I wonder if the guy put the disk in backwards.........
Mike

 

[MeShoHorny]

I have the FiberTuff 9 puck disk, ceramic TOB and reinforced PP in my car now. I have about 10k on this combo. It is a very good kit for the street. It has more grab then the stock kit, same pedal feel, and if broken in right it won't chatter. Very hard to slip the clutch with this combo.

 

[srfdude]

MeShoHorny:
I have the FiberTuff 9 puck disk, ceramic TOB and reinforced PP in my car now. I have about 10k on this combo. It is a very good kit for the street. It has more grab then the stock kit, same pedal feel, and if broken in right it won't chatter. Very hard to slip the clutch with this combo.

Is that the new one that Josh is selling? He told me it would be great for street use, but since my wife drives the car, I would definitely hear it if its too strong!!!
Mike

 

[MeShoHorny]

I can't say for sure if it is the kit Josh is selling. I can speculate and say it is the same or it is pretty damn close, but this is pure speculation.

 

[drivinhard]

As Josh's largest clutch buyer/reseller/installer, I'm pretty up to date on his offerings

It's pretty well know he's not offering the OEM kits now, but is offering new units through a local builder. Stock clamp load pressure plate with larger drive straps and beefier rivets make up the "HD" mods on the pressure plate. Reduces/eliminates strap or strap fastner failure.

He offers 3 different discs, with (I believe) 3 different types of material. (from least aggressive to most) Fibertuff, a ceramic type, and a full metallic. The fibertuff has close to stock disc manors but really seems to be easy on the flywheel and PP. We've seen (or not seen) the typical heat marks left on the pressure plate/FW with these discs. The 9 pucks have a sprung hub, and a marcel spring, full face disc with 9 pucks. It's a 9.75" OD. Nice unit.

The 6 paddle disc (and 4 paddle) is a sprung hub but no marcel spring, you loose a little cushion on engagement with these (but these are probably better suited for track cars.) I believe Josh is testing (or will be soon) a 6 paddle fibertuff on an old DD (3500 lb clamp load) SS pressure plate.

I have probably close to 45k (hard track) miles on a few various discs and pressure plates from this supplier, and haven't suffered any strap failure or such after countless powershifts and several 7k miss shifts. I have full confidence in these units. Several combo's tested, still many to go. Hoping to have a nice database soon of which discs hold up under what, how they wear, what materials like best (stock cast iron FW or steel insert FW), etc. Testing another unit next weekend at Summit Point in WV. This test will conclude how well the full metallic linings work with a steel insert FW (my hunch now is ceramic may be the material to use with an alum flywheel). After that (probably before/during the convention) I'll be testing a 4 paddle ceramic unit w/ an alum flywheel (steel insert).

 

[shojuan]

Mark, you da man! So glad I don't need a new clutch *right now!* I estimate I have 6 to 12 months before I really have to get one. I look forward to getting my paws on that database. A Fidanza flywheel is the only firm decision in my next clutch installation. thumb

 

[drivinhard]

The OD on the 4 paddle is REAL tight with the PP, let-alone the insert on the flywheel.

Unless fidanza has re-done their units recently, the insert is too small on the OD to fit a stock disc, and probably the 9.75" 9 puck discs SHO NUT is selling, as they are pretty much the same size as the stocker. The 6 paddle is a 9.5" od I believe, so that should fit on the fidanza.

Personally, Josh and myself run SS 8 lb alum flywheels. The insert fits the stock disc and other 9.75" discs very nicely, the fidanza is a bit small. The disc will overhang and touch the alum.

 

[Bizzy]

srfdude:
Is that the new one that Josh is selling? He told me it would be great for street use, but since my wife drives the car, I would definitely hear it if its too strong!!!
Mike

It is indeed the new one that Josh is selling. He's offering it at a phenominal price as well. I highly suggest this clutch kit for those of you who like a stock feeling pedal and mucho grab.

Pics of the 9 puck disk can be seen here. These pics are of my car when I was at his place earlier this year for tranny work. The only difference in my kit and Josh's is that mine has a stock PP instead of a reinforced one. That puts extra value in Josh's kit since he's priced his based on what I paid for mine but he gives you a reinforced PP instead of stock. thumb

Yet again, Josh has outdone himself. wink







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