Are these mods worth it?

[Geek SHO]

For the cost of UDP's, BBB's and an intake (ported I assume you mean), couldn't you just get a Tweecer? Though, I'm bench racing at this point. I've never actually tuned a Tweecer, only observed one being tuned on my car, and have seen what Lance Cheney did with his car. They do seem difficult to learn. Though, it would probably give at least the same power boost as the other three goodies once you learn to tune it. Once you went with the nitrous, it would be even more useful.

 

[yamahaSHO]

For the cost of UDP's, BBB's and an intake (ported I assume you mean), couldn't you just get a Tweecer? Though, I'm bench racing at this point. I've never actually tuned a Tweecer, only observed one being tuned on my car, and have seen what Lance Cheney did with his car. They do seem difficult to learn. Though, it would probably give at least the same power boost as the other three goodies once you learn to tune it. Once you went with the nitrous, it would be even more useful.

Now you're just making sense...

 

[Toolman]

If its only going to be a 15-20 HP boost, what kind of difference would I see over stock, in say the 1/4 mile. A second if even? Im happy with the SHO as it is, and I plan to keep it as long as I can, just want to get out everything I can. FI may be down the road, and way down the road, so im assuming these mods would be a pre-req. for a FI setup.

If you are happy with the SHO as is (power wise), leave it as is. You can easily spend more on mods than it will cost to get another complete SHO. Having owned around 9-11 SHO's, from stock to 500hp turbo beasts, I can without a doubt say that I would concentrate on brake/suspension mods before I would touch anything power wise. You will enjoy good suspension and brakes immensely more than what that same money will buy you in HP. If you do decide that you need more HP, a good y-pipe, the BBB's and ported runners and UDP's are not a bad way to go. Not enough changes that you absolutely need a new tune, but enough to notice a difference in power output. That said, NONE of those items are needed for FI. In fact, the y-pipe will need to be ditched, assuming you go the turbo route (and why would you do anything else!). You would not want to waste your money on those mentioned items, as what you will really need is the following: Tweecer, injectors, fuel pump, FPR. With those items (and of course the turbo system), you can easily make 350chp all day every day.

But back to the beginning of this post, f you are happy with the SHO as is (power wise), leave it as is./b]

 

[Toolman]

For the cost of UDP's, BBB's and an intake (ported I assume you mean), couldn't you just get a Tweecer? Though, I'm bench racing at this point. I've never actually tuned a Tweecer, only observed one being tuned on my car, and have seen what Lance Cheney did with his car. They do seem difficult to learn. Though, it would probably give at least the same power boost as the other three goodies once you learn to tune it. Once you went with the nitrous, it would be even more useful.

If I never planned on any other mods, I would not spend my time and money on a Tweecer. But yeah, if you have any other serious mods in the future planned, Tweecer all the way.

 

[NCTaurusSHO]

It fools the computer. It is not the correct way to tune it. If that's the way you want to go, so be it. One guy has already toasted his motor with it and Ashley's "tuning". It's a band-aid.





Well ashleys tune didnt burn up any motor The computer has never relearned around the safc adjustments all . Im still driving our turbo sho and thanks for the coment you are a real ******* ***** no it all.So get started on what you want to say about her, because I would love to put my fist through your face

PAUL

 

[yamahaSHO]

Really, that's all you got? Stop crying over the Internet. This is humorous at best.

I keep hearing that Ashley's tune didn't blow the motor... The response I did get was that it was a tired motor and worn rings caused the problem (LOL). Low compression doesn't break pistons. The Apexi is a band-aid... Not even Vadim when that route. Just like the stock diff, it can be used, but it'll eventually fail you. I'm not a "no it all", however, I do have an understanding on how the computer works to keep the car running smoothly. If you don't what to put in the time, that's your deal and your car. If I'm on a forum to give advice, I would advise against going your route.

I know of one person that has already switched over to the TwEECer from one of the Apexi after chatting with him on how to tune via the TwEECer. There is a learning curve, however, it is very doable. You just need to take the time to understand what's happening in that box behind the glove compartment.

Don't be so damn offended It's the better route to take. I bet I can extract more power out of your turbo SHO switching to the TwEECer and still keep it very safe.

The computer has never relearned around the safc adjustments all .

Without the ability to datalog, you'd never know what it is actually doing.

signing off

Mr. "no it all".

 

[NCTaurusSHO]

Without the ability to datalog, you'd never know what it is actually doing.

signing off

Mr. "no it all".[/QUOTE]

What my tweecer data logs. All the safc is . Is a adjustable MAF and it works. John car ran fine at WOT when we finished his car then he went and screwed around with the EV1 long style injector that didnt seal on the cylinder head and he got all excited

 

[38SHO]

x2 on tweecer, the SAFC is popular on other cars to "band-aid" tune it but even all those guys say its a POS and ditch it when they have more money......

timing changes, datalogging, **** just seeing what your sensors are in real time for diagnosing shit is worth it... even my thousands of dollars snap-on scanner cant do that for my car.......

I don't know why anyone would screw with all the old antiquated, half ass stuff there is out there, if you already have a tweever....... it just doesn't make sense..... not saying it can't be done..... just saying its not the common sense route..... I'm not personally attacking anyone..... I'm just giving my viewpoint on this

don't be taking your spitwad shooter out to hunt Elk when your high powered rifle is laying next to it.....

 

[yamahaSHO]

Without the ability to datalog, you'd never know what it is actually doing.

What my tweecer data logs. All the safc is . Is a adjustable MAF and it works. John car ran fine at WOT when we finished his car then he went and screwed around with the EV1 long style injector that didnt seal on the cylinder head and he got all excited

You're using a TwEECer and an Apexi?! :restsheadinhands:

Geeze... If you take the time to learn it, you can dump the Apexi and have much more flexibility. It seems you've wasted money by buying two products when one of the two can do the job of both alone. Need I say more? (BTW, if you really want, you can rewrite to the TwEECer while driving). Making a change on the fly with an Apexi WILL most certainly cause the computer to adjust KAMRF's.

Do you have any idea what you're supposed to look for when data logging or what any of that stuff is you can change? If not, send me a file and I'll analyze it There is far more than adjusting timing and WOTFM.

Frankly, it matters not to me if you use an Apexi on your car. If you're offended when someone suggest to expand your horizon, I'm sorry for you. However, when someone is looking for a suggestion on how to do something, I'd rather not recommend something other than the right way to do something. I will never accept the Apexi as this.

 

[NCTaurusSHO]

You're using a TwEECer and an
Frankly, it matters not to me if you use an Apexi on your car. If you're offended when someone suggest to expand your horizon, I'm sorry for you. However, when someone is looking for a suggestion on how to do something, I'd rather not recommend something other than the right way to do something. I will never accept the Apexi as this.

Then why do the tweecer guys alwasy have to make fine adjustments like you stated in your I cant figure out my starter problem in a thread you started

 

[yamahaSHO]

Then why do the tweecer guys alwasy have to make fine adjustments like you stated in your I cant figure out my starter problem in a thread you started

Nice TRY on the starter thread. An electrical problem with the car has absolutely nothing to with tuning with the TwEECer/Apexi. I'm guessing your running out of stuff to come back with. Keep 'em coming!

I haven't made an adjustment (aside from timing for the low altitude move) on my car since 1 JAN when Chris and I tuned the car for the new motor. When we do make adjustments, it's more of a perfection thing once tuned (as you stated with "fine adjustments". The computer will always have some kind of adjustment. If you watched your log files, you'll note this. I HIGHLY doubt your KAMRF is a solid "1"

 

[NCTaurusSHO]

Nice TRY on the starter thread.

Well I still drive my boosted sho every day and to work to day. Im never tunning it . It just seems like I read that every one with the tweecer has to do some kind of tweeking

 

[yamahaSHO]

Like I said, you can adjust your car more, you just don't know what to do. Just like you, I can drive my car everyday without making and adjustment too. Tuning becomes a hobby. When people have hobbies, they like to stay involved with them. Part of the hobby is perfection. Just because you don't choose to or know how to doesn't mean something can be adjusted

Go ahead and send me a data log and I'll let you know everything you can change to make it run even better

As far as a physcal electrical problem, shit happens and it has nothing to do with tuning

 

[randy'sho]

Like I said, you can adjust your car more, you just don't know what to do. Just like you, I can drive my car everyday without making and adjustment too. Tuning becomes a hobby. When people have hobbies, they like to stay involved with them. Part of the hobby is perfection. Just because you don't choose to or know how to doesn't mean something can be adjusted

Go ahead and send me a data log and I'll let you know everything you can change to make it run even better

As far as a physcal electrical problem, shit happens and it has nothing to do with tuning

not getting in on this....but man you are so arrogant!

 

[NWGRN94MTX]

Moderation time! Okay, enough! This is turning into a ******* match rather then a reasonable debate. Keep it civil. Please respect each others opinions without the name calling or the condescending remarks . Please clean up your posts or the is going on this thread.

 

[NCTaurusSHO]

As far as a physcal electrical problem, shit happens and it has nothing to do with tuning [/QUOTE]

Never said it did I wish you the best of luck with your issues and Merry Chirstmas:sun:

 

[yamahaSHO]

not getting in on this....but man you are so arrogant!

You just did... Get past what tone you think I'm 'typing' and read what I have to say and maybe you might open up your mind to new information.

I feed off others for those who haven't figured out. The more you lash out at me, the more of a ***** I become

I'm sorry that I am RIGHT and I'm passionate about it. Deal with it.

As far as a physcal electrical problem, shit happens and it has nothing to do with tuning

Never said it did I wish you the best of luck with your issues and Merry Chirstmas:sun:[/QUOTE]

Awe... You're not going to punch my face in?

Moderation time! Okay, enough! This is turning into a ******* match rather then a reasonable debate. Keep it civil. Please respect each others opinions without the name calling or the condescending remarks . Please clean up your posts or the is going on this thread.

Awe... This was starting to get fun! I'd rather see it purged than to fault the OP.

 

[HoustinoJillian]

to get back on topic....


no mod is FINANCIALLY worth it.

if you want to do it, go for it, its already been explained that everything'll swap over to a 3.2 if you do go that route later.

maybe this thread should be before we get more :***: :rainshit:

although if all the attitudes and personal offenses were taken out i really would like to see if this tweecer vs apexi thing could be solved/proved once and for all.

 

[yamahaSHO]

although if all the attitudes and personal offenses were taken out i really would like to see if this tweecer vs apexi thing could be solved/proved once and for all.

All attitude aside, there is nothing to solve. The TwEECer has access to adjust many parameters in the computer's program. The Apexi just fools the computer in order to get the AFR's correct. If you look above, the user of the Apexi ALSO uses a TwEECer as he can't do it all with the Apexi alone. The TwEECer has FAR more control than the Apexi and it always will by design. If you have to use a better product to get the other to work, why not just use the ONE product?

 

[HoustinoJillian]

All attitude aside, there is nothing to solve. The TwEECer has access to adjust many parameters in the computer's program. The Apexi just fools the computer in order to get the AFR's correct. If you look above, the user of the Apexi ALSO uses a TwEECer as he can't do it all with the Apexi alone. The TwEECer has FAR more control than the Apexi and it always will by design. If you have to use a better product to get the other to work, why not just use the ONE product?

oh i know, you dont have to convince me. i just meant solve as in stop the debate and prove it once and for all.