time to repair wheel wells

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  1. tery

    tery 4 kids 5 cars

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    I'm pretty sure I told someone that I was NOT going to restore Silvia--seems I must have forgotten that-and it was such a beautiful day here, Silvia's rust was not adding beauty to the day, so time to get to it.

    F**K--woah,,,just don't open the back door dude...EVER!
    this'll be the really fun part-constructing whats missing..

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    I really like this stuff for filling spaces and making corners or curves..comes in 10 or maybe its 12 feet and you can cut and shape it with tin snips and the bondo goes all up and through pretty well. I used the long hair when I did Bob's gas cap area, but the short hair glass works better in small batches I find. This isn't as bad as Bob was, but the rear quarter problem is worse..and the long hair doesn't seem as sticky on smooth surface, although I am sure it is. Same stuff, just dif length glass right?

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    I tip my cap to you sir. Way more than I would be willing to tackle
     
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    Thanks, but I'm sure any trained body guys are laughing real hard...and that's great!!
    I just do what I can and keep learning and it's been said before...take it to jy dude, but I just can't ...and I retired at the end of the year so I have plenty of time to work on it when the spirit moves.
     
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    Take your wheel off and seal everything on the inner wheel well, and your problems are over for the next 20 years.
    I have no experience with fiberglass, but it seems to do the job in this case.
    For the dog leg area, build it up from the inside of the wheel well to the outside so that you can seal it as well.
    I have always used metal (called satin finish from UAP) which does not seem to rust for some reason. I have left scraps of it outside for years, and no rust, even where you cut it. But try it with glass and let us know how it goes.

    The rocker panels can still be bought new, but I always found them to be too expensive and subsequently made them from the flat sheet stock. Again, the success depends on building a back wall from that pinch seam (that you used to jack on years ago) first and attaching the visible rocker panel to it, and sealing it. I did this without the benefit of a welder, so it can be done, and now they have the super adhesives to bond things together (kind of like the windshield stuff).

    The one thing you can say about body work, is you can still use the car while the repair proceeds; unlike most other repairs.
     
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    Thank you for all those good ideas...I'll check out that UAP, I like to use things I have here or find at construction sites in the scrap pile too
    I'm gonna take off the wheel when I start the dog leg part, so I can drive it, like you say till then.Just planning it out today, and probably build up a bit more what i did yesterday
     
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    Here's a sort of progression shot, still a lot to do but maybe half way done to painting..

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    Okay, here's how far I got on the dog leg/rocker edge today and yesterday..Now we'll have a couple days rain and humidity I think, so I'll wait to do last couple layers where needed and sanding. I've been using the Automotive Touch Up outfit online. The paint is an excellent match and when you use their clear coat, you'll never go back to store shelf stuff.
    Now remember we're talking spray can, so yeah, for what its worth.
    I didn't like putting rivits in the door sill, but there's so much clearance that I could cover them and add a little more support for the pieces that fill the missing metal.
    I forgot to take off the wheel, but really, it wasn't in the way for how and where I was working and, I'm just thinking to have it look better for a three or four years and by then, I'll be too old and feeble to drive an mtx SHO anyway.
    ***and yeas I sprayed the cavity really good with Eastwood product, which seems so far to beat rustoleum for what I've been doing. I like to pre-spray too with a rust killer chemical and then the Eastwood is a great sealer paint against air. I'll probably do fluid film too in the places you never see.
    It was new to me, so I'll just mention that the rust Eastwood sprays come with a spray nozzle and tube that has a brass tip with 6? holes in it. The effect is that the spray come out in a circle. So you feed the tube as deep as you can into a cavity and spray as you slow rotate and pull out....---StopiT!. The effect is that it coats the inside of body cavities.

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    Still have several more layers before and real sanding..Also have to attach under the seat there so that the running panel/plastic rocker cover at the very bottom will have something to attach to. I found some pieces of aluminum rail, or half rail, I think they use in office building construction-anyway, it'll attach pretty easily with rivets to whats still good enough metal underneath
     
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    You have to be prepared to make an ugly thing even uglier, right up to the final coat.

    You are very brave to show those photos, and we appreciate it.
     
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    ha, thanks=-- I hesitate to hit send, but I'm not claiming to know anything, except what I've done wrong, and sometimes get good results to fix..its fun too and I try to remember that as new as I am at it all, there's people newer at it than me, so if anything helps-that's the point. Some things aren't black and white, but along a continuum, wrong path at the far end and right path at the other...I try to be somewhere on the line-more good than bad.
    we'll see.....
    take care
    ps..this is bad, but I think Bob was worse, I used a cut out piece of an F150 tailgate to fix the dog leg on that one, it was the perfect curve..

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    Ya see so many old shos rotted out in the same place. I've started to think that the plastic removable cover behind the back door is one culprit in the design that lets that part of the car body cavities get exposed to weather. The body metal is cut open to allow the top tab to clip in place and then those standard ribbed fasteners at the bottom that I'm guessing go into holes in the metal? as well. I've not seen what's there ever cause all the cars I've had didn't have metal there anymore...far as I can remember..
    And the gas cap door...why do they all rust out there?-maybe hard to get to spray at the inside factory??
     
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    That is amazing work, Terry.
     
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    Maybe one day I'll see it cause I wanted to know how long it really lasts, my guess is 3 years, or by 5 it'd be all nasty again--but it costs a hundred bucks to do both sides, instead of a lot more
    take care
    T
     
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    continuing the saga...

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    I'll just need the one panel below because the front part of the rocker is pretty good all in all, certainly will hold the cover. Creating the back end with attachment to the side skirt end will be a little tricky, but I have a plan and it won't need to be super strong cause I'll also put in two low side screws to actually carry the weight. I screwed in another web piece under the lip for support too. So with that and screwing in the side skirt backing plate, its pretty solid for what it has to do.
     
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    I know you guys can't sleep until you see what I got done today so here ya go...

    one more real low spot.

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    here's my top edge

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    and then when all is said and done..

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    But it isn't yet, Lots of sanding to do still.

    the former screw holes will get filled and I'll probably have two under the rear pass door and maybe one in from other the front door...that might be overkill cause the back will be pretty strong..and the front inside connection is solid

    Ran into a sorta snag with the bumper tip. It has been just kinda hanging at the back end by the wheel well, turns out the metal that the catch pin is mounted on is gone.. that is pretty bad rust and the catchpin plastic slot on the inside of the bumper is broken somewhat too. The bad stuff is below that problem. OUCH

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    So..I killed the rust and sprayed the shit out it with undercoating I'll just get a piece of plate metal and drop it in there, the trunk carpet goes over it and done.

    The bumper I can support with a piece of stronger wire pulled up into that corner of the trunk and secured. It just pulls up the tip of the bumper like an inch or so. Its been riding around for years just loose I'm pretty sure.
    Talk about rusted O-U-T

    I'm disappointed in ford's solution for the sunroof drains, and I'd love to hear why people who know, or even theories about why they all rust out at the rr and lr quarter panel..other than just cause of wheel spray. idk, just seems like other places are maybe better protected inside.

    So today I added this to the trunk

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    with where it is, its under carpet and supported enough, just don't stand in that corner of the trunk! :)

    Here's one underneath. I'll hit it with undercoating just for moisture-MAAN..talk about ugly...

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    So then back topside I just finished to the point to put on a protective coat til the real paint arrives-then maybe too improve the line below the gas door

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    I might improve the running edge of the well while I'm waiting for the paint, but really, I should get started on the drivers side

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    I really shouldn't waste anyones time having them read a bunch of expletives here ***k, but i started looking at the challenge on the drivers side--did I say it looked like less work because of the gas door-- *uuuuuuuuuuc*

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    I know I know...take it to the jy..

    .....I think I can, I think I can....

    and yes...I'll take off the wheel this time Before I start rebuilding it.
     
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    Its get's worse before it gets better of course...

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    and then the whole side view..rhymes with lots of work to do.. Wheel well first and eastwood interior spray all the cavities that still are cavities..
    I can't find the plastic C shape that is at the back of the plastic skirt/rocker cover

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    ..tbc.


    Cleared out more rust, sprayed cavities with eastwood and started the wheel work..for got to take off the wheel again, but I like seeing it there, it helps me imagine the curve that used to be there.

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    I wanna find more of that construction aluminum before I start on the rocker, but I'll probably start on the dog leg tomorrow and continue the wheel well edge..
     
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    Next day saga...It comes out okay but it is messy getting there..and I'm sure I'm breaking Sooo many standards of professional body work, but again, I just wanna want to get in the car when I walk up to it, instead of thinking how sad that it looks.

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    Tomorrow is supposed to get humid, but I'll get to work early

    Oh, and..the paint arrived today too, I'll wait and do paint both sides the same day--or not
     
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    Pros would tell you to walk away ;)
     
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    right...with good reason too- But I'm newly retired and just practicing and enjoying the process, The car will be safe and look decent...and it's FUN to drive. The previous owner put in a good stereo, which I always also do, but he did something with the bass reflex sub box, or put something different in there because it has excellent tone-I know a lot about that. Thanks, T
     
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    back to work today, more humid but breezes, so pretty good all in all temp wise

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    then this'll be the final look..I mean, are you driving around thinking about the condition of your rocker panels?? I'm happy to know they'll look decent and not break off when I hit a big bump...as has happened with two of mine when I first got them..

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    ...oh yeah, and with the rear end piece that is on the way from a forum member-thanks Again, and one screw on the cover under each door


    Got the rear end piece in the mail today/ Now just wait til weather is back like it was last week here in Minnesota

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    Would eat away at me to not address the problem, so glad to see you suffer the perspiration though :nut: enjoy!
     
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