SHO vs Limited suspension

Discussion in 'Generation 4 - General Discusson' started by BigBill, Sep 7, 2019.

  1. Lostneye

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    I had a Limited as a loaner car for a week. It was noticeably softer than my PP car. The steering was also lighter and had less feel. If you are looking for the grandpa car ride stick with the Limited.
     
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    I had a 14 limited fwd and now I have a 17 sho n pp. I honestly didn’t feel a difference in ride. Only thing I can say is the tires that were on the limited when I bought it were 255/45/19. Then when I got the sho tires were 245/45/20. However I had aftermarket wheels 19” that I put on the limited then the sho, and I know I screwed up here but I put the same size tires on for the sho 255/45/19. The sho with the stock rims and tires felt better like it rolled better more free ( I guess that’s what I want to say) steering felt more free too so I was happy about that. Then when I put on the aftermarket wheels with the 255/45/19. The ride felt exactly like the limited. Still good and I’m happy. I haven’t drove a limited with 20” wheels so it might have felt like the sho did , I think u will be happy whichever car u buy.
     
  3. High on Ethanol

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    Go with a f150 screw cab. No ptu weak point and better everything else. Win-win-win

    As far as limited vs SHO, I drove a rental car Limited and I didn't notice much difference but I didn't drive it as hard either.


    Just my opinion but if I knew then what I know now about this platform, I wouldn't have ever bought it. I'm hardcore Ford enthusiast, but they dropped the ball and then some with this car. It's great for most things, but by no means a sports sedan without a fair amount of aftermarket money. For a used car at 16-24k it's a steal. For a new car at 42-50k, nope.
     
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    Thanks for the information. The fact it's used for the police cars as well lead me to believe it's primarily designed for 90% idling time which is extreme heat soak condition. I've never actually seen a turbo police interceptor in person...I wonder if most departments avoid turbos for less maintenance costs.

    https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/piston-6387683-1


    A side note, the springs on my NonPP say SHO/PP on the tags. That's why I wondered if they even have different rates or if maybe some cars got some parts bin parts that were leftovers.
     
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    You are correct. The pistons and cooling system on the PI and the PP's were designed for long idle times and then full throttle blasts after said long idle times.
     
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    I personally did not notice a huge difference in suspension/ride from a friend's Limited to the '15 SHO I purchased this year with 18k miles on the odometer. There are different components that are available to go into each trim which I believe you discovered based on the part numbers you researched (you will see this called out as functional standard equipment and listed as "Sport Tuned Suspension" on a SHO window sticker vs. a Limited). His Limited however was the original factor in my choice to go with the Taurus line and I was lucky enough to find a SHO fitting every need I wanted near the price of what Limiteds are going for. I'll generally make a 500 mile round trip up to Northern Michigan several times per year and I prefer driving the SHO over the Z33 I also own. The SHO feels similar to the MN-12 Thunderbird I owned many years back in terms of floating and body roll but I expected that to come with the platform.

    PP vs. Non-PP was irrelevant to me when you can swap OEM components or buy aftermarket. Chicago built specific Police vehicles in batches. I'm not sold that 100% of non-Police, "SHO Package 1" got the engines with different pistons, nor is it really a selling point. It's not a disclosed feature on any literature and there are components the plants can chose to swap if they needed to fill their jobs for that day. If someone was able to trace back the engine bar-code to CEP1 batch production and verify, fantastic.

    Good luck obtaining what you are looking for.
     
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    The difference between the PP and non PP has been beaten to death and well documented. These things have been verified, the search button is your friend on that one.

    There is a valuable and measurable difference between the two. Given that dealerships often have no idea what the difference is and they are therefore priced the same, it makes no sense not to opt for a PP.

    The only plus that Non PP ones have over a PP is that they can have ACC. Personally I think acc is a safety hazard, but to each their own.
     
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    If you want SHO power and a cushier ride, grab an MKS. The 13+ have active dampers that I believe you can control the feel.
     
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    I've enjoyed my 2010 for 5 years with no major problems yet, at 135k miles. It was my first luxury car and coming from a 5 speed Mustang GT, with the Roush treatment, my commute went from uncomfortable-but-fun to cruising-in-comfort.

    But after driving this car for 5 years what I realized is I really don't need AWD or a twin turbo engine or the complications that are involved. Although I've had no engine trouble, and had some fun with the power, I would be fine with a regular v6. The brakes were garbage but I understood that was a flaw in the design for this first year. I would be fine with front-wheel drive and a v6. I would worry about it a lot less and it would be easier to work on.

    I also wouldn't worry too much about high mileage on a regular model whereas a high mileage sho like mine? No way. Wouldn't trust it.
     
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    If you can't find a PP, that's fine. It might have better pistons, but on the later model years they've beefed up the non-pp cars with some of the amenities of the older PP cars. My '17 came with a ptu cooler, and I've Forscan'd in the PP "weighted" steering feel, and installed a T/C / ESC switch, also using forscan after the hardware install. The brakes are the same, just different pads, which can be changed after the fact. PPs are great, but they're not special in any other way aside from the pistons, axle ratio, and trans/larger oil cooler. nPPs run the same if not faster times depending on how well maintained they are.
     
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    The rear brakes are larger on a PP and the master cylinder has a larger bore.
     
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    It is always the non pp guys trying justify why the PP isnt truly better.
     
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    At least the non PP guys seem to have the better attitude. I cannot understand why the internet causes people to act like this. What do you gain?


    For all those in the know you can add the different parts to make either car have any options you want.
     
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    Its more that people are knowingly spreading misleading information about the differences. I don't have a problem with people buying either one, just don't lie to them and tell them there is no difference.

    As for the arguement of being able to add most of the differences on later, yes that's mostly true, but comes with a colossal why would you do that.

    It'd be like if I had two identical houses for sale for the exact same price, but one had a finished basement the other did not. To tell someone they shouldn't care about that because they could finish the basement on their own would be insane. That's extra cost, time, and headache for absolutely no reason.
     
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    Hmm a better comparison might be...
    Why would you put better cooling on a car you didn't intend to need it on?
    Or why would you want a better cruise control on a car that sees track time?

    Brakes are very similar cost but worth upgrading from nonPP to PP unless you go EBC or similar. The steering feel can be programmed in. The steering wheels can be swapped. The trans cooler can be swapped. All of the features of nonPP can be added as desired as well.
    Most of the costs are very similar which is why the Performance Package was such a cheap option. The most expensive part would be the PTU with cooling.
     
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    Hopefully anyone interested in purchasing either version knows what they intend to do, because as you said, it would add extra cost, time,headache, to add missing parts.

    The cost to buy either option is very similar as far as used vehicles go.
    The true traction off button is the only thing I would add to mine. Sometimes it gets me when I accelerate hard out of a turn...but then again maybe it saved me a couple times.

    Either way I have really enjoyed the comfort and ride quality of the SHO on long trips. Especially when I remember I can merge with ease.
     
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    We have beat the PP and non PP differences to death.

    Ford clearly had a reason to offer a Performance Package and truly wasn't that much more expensive on the sticker. Most non PP owners have no idea that the PP cars exist. Most stumble unto them. Yet, when they find out more then not, say...."I wish I had a PP car." I recommend the PP because they are basically the same price.

    They have better pistons, they stop better, they are geared better, they have a PTU cooler, trans cooler, and you are able to turn off all the nannies straight from the factory.

    That is why I made a huge thread about the differences. That is why I tell people to educate themselves.

    Most people don't buy an SHO for better cruise control ect.....they buy them for the sleeper/performance factor.

    Yes you can add all the upgrades yourself (when you could have had them already) and crack into the system using Forscan. Most won't.
     
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    Does it matter what I do?

    You want to argue about everything. PP vs non PP. You literally have a great example of the identical house comparison yet want to argue. The majority of SHO owners (no offense) do not wrench on their own cars. If they know what an SHO is, most likely they bought one for the performance factor straight out of the box. They don't want to add a bunch of crap that they could have bought for the same priced used, or only a couple more grand new. Chew on this for a minute. Brand new trans, fluid less then 4k old sitting in my car. Here in PHX in the middle of summer cruising at 75 to 80 mph, my trans temp sits about 100-110 degrees above ambient even with my PP trans cooler. So when is it 110 degrees my trans temps are about 217. Wonder what they would be if I didn't have the cooler like a non-pp car. Also I have seen far less PTU failures in the PP and PI cars....wonder why.

    Yet you want to argue.

    You want to argue about business ethics, build quality, ect about the AD Mounts. I call them the AD Mounts because he developed them. He used the ruler, he designed them, and he modified them. He sent them to SSM and they didn't deliver what he wanted. SSM undercut him, stole his R&D and made a inferior product. All this while telling their customers to cut out the middle man. Members have displayed pictures of the garbage SSM sent out, vs AD's mounts. Even SSM said their mounts can cause false KR. YES pull timing on my performance tune! Just what we all want! So AD sourced someone else to supply us with a better product. I haven't been back to the track, but my car is faster 0-60, doesn't shutter or wheel hop anymore, and the 1-2, and 2-3 shift is money with the AD Mounts. Also mine came with great welds, better bushings, powder coated, and pre-greased with grease fittings.

    Yet you want to argue.

    Clearly you are high on something else than Ethanol.

    There are few people that have contributed more to the 4th and 5th Gen Community than I have in the short time I have driven this platform. I don't post my build thread because I want everyone to look at me. I want people to know what they have gotten themselves into. What to expect, ect.....

    I have meticulously documented every single upgrade and performance mod on my SHO. I have meticulously dyno'd my car numerous times after each said mod and shared them here. I have been to the track numerous times where my tune only SHO went 12.56 and cut a 1.77 sixty foot with stock everything suspension and cut rear springsin 90 degree heat. I have the documentation, I have the data, I have the experience on this platform. I have also installed all of my performance upgrades with my bare hands. Springs, Intercooler, Downpipes, Mounts, Brakes, ect... The only thing I didn't install was my new transmission. I didn't have the time, energy, and I wanted to support a local company.

    Also I came from the HP tuners world. I have had two twin turbo LS Camaro's which I built. Cars are my passion.
     
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    Two threads worth of lunacy. "I recommend better stuff"

    "Oh yeah, well worse stuff is actually better!"
    I usually try and advocate for chill but this HILARIOUS. :popcorn:
     
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    It's like....how many times do we have to circle the wagons? I have stated the facts, numerous times. Yet it seems we end up at the same conclusion with HOE. Yet he throws shade, insinuates PP owners have different attitudes, swings from SSM's nuts, and just wants to hear himself type I guess. FFS.
     
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