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Discussion in 'Generation 4 - General Discusson' started by dinojc86, Sep 7, 2019.

  1. dinojc86

    dinojc86 SHO Member

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    I decided to go with :
    245/45ZR-20 Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 XL Tires.
    Based on the advice of a lot of guys on this forum.
    They have yet to steer me wrong.

    Went with Tire Rack and paid $911. tax and delivery.
    I will get a local guy to mount and balance for maybe $25. per tire.
     
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    Well based on tire rack feedback those have the highest rating and most miles driven for the "type" of tire. So it can't be that wrong.

    I've been using them for years and liked them above other brands as they had the least road noise, but improved grip. Tire wear will likely be less than they rate by about 10%. But I'd blame that on the driver more than the tire...

    Considering you are posting this in the Gen3, that's a mighty large tire. Did you need this moved to the Gen4 forum?
     
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    Thanks for the feedback.
    My bad, it should be in the Gen 4 forum.
     
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    I am using 225/55 r16 and 235/45 r17 versions of these tires. Having this range I thing gives me a unique ability to see them perform under different conditions.

    A couple of things to consider about these tires when compared to others:

    1 - Weight - These generally come in 1-3lbs lighter than other brands.

    2 - Contact - The width of these tires is actually larger than others. The data is not available to prove this gives more contact with the road, but may explain their ability to grip.

    3 - UTQG - This is high and is important to tire wear and plays a part in the temperature it can handle. Something that is important in my neck of the desert. This generally equates to how the tire was made so its iot uncommon that many tires have similar ratings in the same class.

    4 - Price - Make no mistake price is important. These tires generally come in between $20 to $60 per tire than the top rated brand. That savings could lead one to make the mistake purchase the local tire shops extended road hazard warranty... ;)

    5 - Warranty - This only matters when things go wrong. Continental's warranty is greater than others (excluding their other brand) which includes roadside assistance and 3-6 year protection against defects. Other tire companies may give you one year if you are lucky and no roadside assistance (if you even need this). These are perks typically only available through the local store road hazard warranty and that won't even be as good.

    6 - Tread depth - This ultimately provides your wear and longevity of the tire. Be sure the tire you are purchasing has the average for the class you are purchasing. Continentals have 10/32's which is great. I've had some with higher and lower and had them wear accordinly. This is your dip-stick of when you will need to replace the tires. In California the turning axel should have no less than 4/32's and others can get as low as 2/32. So subtract those numbers from the totals to get your actual tread life. Manufacturers base their mileage on 2/32 tread remaining.

    In the end it all boils down to what's most important to you: Performance or Price.

    The Ultra High Performance all season is the highest performance (UHP) class is the highest performance you can get for an all year round tire. If fuel economy were also a factor going to a seasonal tire may be beneficial. Going to a higher level of tire will impact fuel economy. Again the trade off between price and performance. The Michellin Pilot Sport A/S is the only others available on tire rack I would recommend for the range of performance these cars provide. However they provide only a performance increase with a few concerns that would detract me, primarily being price keeping me from recommending them. Personally if performance were an issue, I'd be looking at another class and would likely be deciding between the same two companies and going with the same one again... This is all just my opinion based on what factors are available through internet research and over 30 years of family interest in the two companies...
     
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  5. stephen newberg

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    A couple of things to add to the useful commentary just above.

    First, keep in mind the difference between 'all season' and 'all weather'. This is particularly important if you are north of the Mason Dixon line. 'All season' really means 3 seasons, as these tires should not be used in ambient temperatures below 7C, which is, IIRC, about 45F. 'All weather' tires actually can be safely used year round at temperatures below 7C. They have a different symbol on them, to distinguish them. Tire Rack has, or used to have, an informational section about this that you might want to look at before purchasing.

    Second, I have also in the past run 245x45s on the Gen III SHO, though it was long ago and they were Bridgestones. I had not problems with fit, and nothing hit when at full lock in either direction, but that is something to watch for depending on your offset for the wheels you are using, as the struts can get in the way. The wider contact patch certainly does help with handling, but keep in mind that your hung weight for the tire and wheel has likely increased a good deal as you are pushing more rubber and alloy, and this is going to hurt off the line performance as well as roll on, by simple physics. Newton never goes away. :)

    pax, smn
     
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    Thank you for all the info.
    I appreciate your opinion.
    This is what makes this such a great forum.
     
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    Interesting points, thank you
     
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    Hi, your info is a little misleading. All Season as noted by Tire Rack is an actual 4 season tire, and they generally will have an M+S stamp, and Tire Rack will often have tested models of these for light snow traction. I'm quoting their text below from the UHP All-Season section. They are not full-on snow/ice masters but may work for users - I'm a California guy with minimal snow experience. But I have used the Conti's, Michelin A/S 3+, and Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus, and they are all rated for cold winter conditions.

    The distinction that you mention, less than 45 degrees F, is where their "summer" type tires basically stop working well, and TR's text elsewhere mentions that summer tires should not be mounted or used near freezing, and in some cases not even stored at low temperatures. Paul
    From Tire Rack:
    Ultra High Performance All-Season Tires
    Responsive handling, very good on dry and wet roads plus adequate winter traction. Reasonable comfort and tread life.

    Branded with the M+S symbol, these ultra low profile tires are designed to provide year-round traction (even in light snow) through tread designs and compounds that remain more flexible in the cold weather to help blend all-season traction with very good handling and high-speed capabilities.
     
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  9. stephen newberg

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    I have not checked on Tire Rack, but if, as you indicate, they are claiming that 'all season' are year round and have a M&S symbol, they are in error. 'All Weather' does, not 'All Season'. and the 7C (~45F) number limit is, in fact, for All Season. My data comes from the Transportation Department that makes the rules. You might consider looking to them rather than a tire sales place. I doubt Tire Rack is intentionally misleading people, but it does seem to me, from what you relate, that they have a bit of error in the information section on this topic on their site.

    pax, smn
     
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    The M+S designation is only indicative of certain geometry in tread design. It means nothing in regards to rubber compound. The 3PMSF which is written as a symbol of a 3 peak mountain with snowflake inside is the All-weather designation and requires meeting certain standardized testing.
     
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    Correct. M&S could be ascribed to a 3 season tire, but that is not the same as an All Weather tire which can be used in 4 seasons. I was not clear enough in my last. I was in reference to the peaks and snowflake symbol, not just the M&S letters. My error on that.

    pax, smn
     
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    Make sure to come back and update your post! My DWS06 went to Sh1t after about 9,000 miles with NO racing, no hard cornering, etc. Just daily driving and commuting. I took my car to get an oil change and they started telling me about the oil change and inspection, then they said my tires need replacing. I seriously started laughing at the poor guy. I said no no no, these tires are brand new basically, just put them on about a year ago not even 10k miles on them. We went to my car and sure enough, no tread! I also own an Audi and there's a huge thread on Audizine about these tires going to sh1t right away. So without a doubt there's a whole bunch of these bad tires out there, maybe a bad batch. Hopefully Continental found the issue and yours will be fine. Thanks goodness the warranty on my tires paid almost $670 to a new set! I visited several tires companies and they said the DWS06 is actually not recommended for a big, heavy sport sedan. This is exactly what a ton of the Audi S6/S8 owners said also. The best Continental AS tire for a heavy sport sedan is the Control Contact Sport. I put these on and been excellent.
     
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    I put on BFGoodrich g-Force COMP-2 A/S. So far like them. Only about 5k miles but not detecting too much wear as of yet. They are bit pricy but they do have a speed rating of Y(meaning 186MPH) and a Load Index of 103(meaning 1929lbs). While you will likely never go 186MPH, the 103 Load Index is good to have on a 4300llbs car.
     
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    I have over 40k miles on a set of DWS06s with no issues and have been very happy with them. Run year round. Maybe there was a bad batch. :shrug:
     
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    The BFG A/S's are STICKY as all get out. If you drive with the windows rolled down, you can here them adhere to the road.
     
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