Livernois is awesome. Reason #578

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  1. ridered74

    ridered74 SHO Member

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    I had heard for the last 3 years since I bought my 2011 that when you buy a different car Livernois would transfer the tune over to that car for free. Well I put that to the test. I did have to send the tuner back to them and pay 20 bucks to have it shipped back to me, but I received it today and loaded the V11 93 octane tune on my 2015 car.

    Holy f*****g s***!!!

    I'm not sure if it's because my 2011 with 168K miles on it was a little slower than this 2015 with 36K miles, or maybe the two weeks of driving a stock vehicle has distorted my sense of how fast the car should be, but OMG when I gave it full throttle it felt significantly quicker than my old car.

    They were also kind enough to load the V11 91 and 93 octane as well as the V11 91 and 93 octane with downpipes, so once I get those installed this weekend I can just switch tunes without having to email them and wait for the update.

    Best 20 dollar tune out there!
     
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    I’m running their V11, 93 octane tune on my ‘17 with 1,500 miles.... it’s a BEAST and I haven’t even been WOT yet ! So fun to drive.
     
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    I just wish it wasn't so expensive to tune these things. I mean 500-600 bucks for the tuner is ridiculous in my opinion. probably why I haven't done mine yet
     
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    What are you waiting for??!! WOT that thing so the computer can learn to be more aggressive! :burnout:
     
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    It's not $600 for just the hardware, but for the tunes you are getting. I think that is where the bulk of the cost lies. There is a lot of development work to get those right.
     
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    Exactly right. Plus you get tunes for life. I just installed V11 last night, still too much salt on the roads up in Michigan. But soon, I will take it out and see how V11 performs. Just email Livernois...and a few hours later... you have upgraded tunes.

    And I would say, everyone has their own things they spend money on. To me, spending $900 (or whatever the cost for the tuner, plugs, 3 bar map, etc) on the package and gaining about 80-100HP is worth every penny. I don't think it's overpriced at all.
     
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    For what you get out of it, 600 bucks is a drop in the bucket. If you drove a tuned car, I don't think it would be possible for you to resist tuning even if it cost a thousand dollars. The difference is just incredible.
     
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    That’s funny cause I just swapped my 2010 meth injected SHO for a stock 2016 SHO PP with 7K miles on it....

    AND I just did the same thing with my LMS tuner... called them to verify, shipped it to them, waiting for them to call back so I can have it shipped back with a couple other items....

    Not bad for $25 round trip shipping to get tunes for a whole different car!

    I’m glad to hear that the V11 feels stronger than the 4+X race tune... assuming you were running that one?


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    Yes, although over the winter I was only running the 91 octane tune, so that could have a little something to do with why it felt so much stronger.

    Sadly that feeling is gone. I added downpipes and full corsa exhaust this past weekend and after I put the new tune on, the car now falls on it's face and sounds like it is missing badly at full throttle. Switched back to stock and it runs fine.
     
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    Interesting, that you had to ship your MyCal back to them to retune for another car. They must of changed policy somewhere. When I traded my 2012 for the 2013, I just emailed them everything and they sent the files to me to download. That was 2.5 years ago.
     
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    Glad your loving the tune! Keep us updated with how the cars driving and if youve got any takedowns on the road!
     
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    Like others have said the $600 isnt just for the tuner it includes 4 tunes and your stock file on there and there is alot of time and research that went into building the files for these cars and getting them perfect for all of our customers to thoroughly and dont forget all the different combinations of tunes we have to make for customers with 3bars and thermostats or just thermostats and no 3bars or vice versa and many more products!
     
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    It was great until I put the downpipes and corsa exhaust on a week and a half ago. When I loaded that tune on the car, it fell on its face around 4500 rpm's. Been talking with Dave thru email, but haven't heard back from him since this past Saturday.

    Put the car up on blocks thinking I had an exhaust leak, and indeed it did have a leak at the rear downpipe/manifold connection, but that is now fixed and the tune still falls on its face. After a couple days of silence from Dave, I ordered a tune from unleashed and multiple revisions in it is still running fine. I sent dave a datalog of the LMS tune when it had troubles, but he said nothing stuck out on it. I also emailed him Saturday to let him know I found an exhaust leak and fixed it, then emailed again sunday after I loaded the LMS tune and tested it to let him know that it still falls on its face.
     
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    When you say falls on its face, what exact is happening and is it in certain gears only or all gears at 4500?
    EDIT: Nothing against Dave, don't know him. I always work with Anthony who is awesome!
     
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    I'm not sure exactly what is happening, but to me it sounds almost like spark is no longer being supplied to the plugs. It pulls hard from a dead stop, then right around 4500-5000 rpms it does it seems to lose complete power. I've only tried going wide open throttle on the highway once, and it did the same thing. If I let off the gas and then drive conservatively it is fine.

    No codes show up when this happens btw.

    Since I'm not really sure exactly what is happening and I don't want to blow my motor, I haven't done extensive testing. Basically once I see it fails, I drive it gingerly and switch back to the unleashed tune.
     
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    Sometimes mine acts like it just pops into neutral after 2nd gear! Pulls very hard then from 1st to 2nd but mostly after 2nd gear it redlines and won't shift! On highway under WOT is acts like it wants to go but there's hesitations. I'm putting new plugs in and see if that helps.
    Hope you get yours figured out!
     
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    knock sensor wiring and buildup in the intercooler are two things to watch out for, if nothing else pans out. doesnt sound like a TSS/OSS or TRS sensor issue.
     
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    Sooo couple things... LMS had a major ice storm that knocked down all their comms over weekend through Monday I believe. I called them to inquire about my tuner and Dave answered, but they were routing all their calls to his cell since everything was down.

    Second, with my V11 tune I noticed it pounds the fuel system... in seeing drops in my fuel rail pressure I never saw with my 2010 LMS tunes.

    Usually when I see people say the car is falling on its face around 4500 RPMs under boost it’s because the car is shutting down the throttle due to the fuel rail pressure dropping below threshold...

    Is it cold out there? When it’s cold it takes more fuel since the air is more dense...

    And each car handles the extra boost a bit differently, some better than others...

    Also why I believe this, there have been a couple guys who purchased the HPFP and the stumble went away.... which leads me to believe it was a fueling issue again...

    In any event, if you can monitor your fuel rail pressure that would show quite a bit... anything under 1500 psi or 10MPa is getting too low.


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    That sounds similar to what is happening with mine. Sunday night when I tested it out it was in the low 70's, but all the other days it was 40's and 50's.

    I have tried two different sets of plugs, first SP542's gapped at .028 then I switched to the SP534's that came with the car gapped at .030.

    I also tried the 91 octane tune and it did the same thing.
     
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    Plugs are not gonna make a difference. It’s the fuel pressure. Save yourself the time. My V11 started stuttering a bit on the top end tonight, it’s also 43F outside. My rail pressure dropped to around 700psi... which is not good as the injectors are just dumping fuel to keep up with demand...

    It’s what happens when the rail pressure is too low... the car stutters...

    100% Tune related. In warmer weather you won’t see this problem at all. They are running super rich up top, combined with the cold weather, and the boost, your gonna see stuttering on most cars would be my guess... which is what is happening... lots of complaints about v11 doing it...

    Torrie to be honest doesn’t like seeing the fuel pressure drop below 1500psi or 10MPa which is why your Unleashed tune isn’t having the same problem.

    LMS could not run as rich up top and the problem would go away since the demand on the fuel system is less... they are running almost 11:1 AFRs up top which is rich...

    Torrie will most likely be setting you up at 11.76:1 which makes a huge difference in fuel rail pressure since the demand is much less on the fuel rails...


    In any event... that’s why. Lol...





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