bmw projector headlights

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  1. silverknight

    silverknight i race taurus?

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    im wondering if it is possible to wire in projectors from other cars into mine? i was goin to buy one of the ebay projector headlights for a bmw, since they have dual lights, and retro fit them into my car, im wondering if the wiring would be possible. id prolly have to upgrade harnesses im sure to support more power. any opinions.
    currently im runnin silvania silverstars and some driving lights down below, and really light up the road well, but im lookin for the cool projector beam and cutoff. plus the angel eyes kicks butt
    this is one of the kits i was lookin at.

    if its possible i was also thinkin of just seeing if i can fiberglass the whole assembly into mine, since its almost the same shape.

    bmw projectors
     
  2. HoustinoJillian

    HoustinoJillian name's JUSTIN

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    this has been kicked around for a while, youd have to get a different harness or somehow integrate the BMW harness into your car, but the main problem is the depth of the BMW headlights, the projectors are much deeper than our headlights and would need extensive modification to the plastic headlight bracket that is currently in our cars. with all that said, if you get it to work, i'll be second in line.
     
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  4. silverknight

    silverknight i race taurus?

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    well, from what ive been readin adding in a projector to the housing is illegal, but also its very hard to get it so its not set up correctly. the legal way is to have it in its stock housing. so im goin to measure the bmw 5 series headlights at a dealership next chance i get. wish me luck on that.
     
  5. shoteen95

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    I honestly dont know if law enforcement around here would really catch onto the projectors, so long as they're aimed properly and the cutoff isnt so high that you blind every other driver on the road.

    Other than that..connecting the BMW connectors to a stock (or aftermarket harness), is something I have no clue about going to about..but could probably be sorta out with parts in hand and a good amount of time.

    Also, your SE had clear headlamp lenses right? I would suppose us SHO owners would need some sort of clear headlight to start with first (Do the SE ones just drop right in?)
     
  6. silverknight

    silverknight i race taurus?

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    no the se ones have a different shape, and yes, the ones on my car are clear.
    basically se are ( while sho are / . its all due to the grille area. and imo molding a new grille for myself would be worth it to have sexy bmw headlights with projectors and angel eyes. the only harder part i see is fabbing up around the corner lense if u decided to use a 1 peice headlight instead of a 2 peice. as for the harneses. i know u can get the upgraded 9007 harneses from suvlights.com but wiring a whole new 8 gauge wiring system for the headlights might work depending on the power ur giving. or just steal the headlight wiring from a bmw at a junker. but then a new switch is still required.
     
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    See sig... :evilgrin: On a serious note, check out this site http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/ if you want to go crazy with headlight modification. The members of that forum are insane and pump out some great retros. :thumb:
     
  8. kidrock52

    kidrock52 I pleed the fif!

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    If you know a guy that works with plastics you can make a harness. Also check out www.procarparts.com for the BMW projectors. They are the cheapest place to get them.
     
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    As of this next year any kind of headlight retrofit (even upgrade) will be illegal. This is a federal law so it would apply to all states....
     
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    SO Lame, so even if they are DOT approved from another car, illegal? I wouldnt think that bill would pass, but who knows.. :shrug:
     
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    If it makes sense it's going to be illegal. I swear their train of thought is like "what can we make illegal for no apparant good reason that'll really piss people off cause we hate ourselfs inside and should die".......

    I honestly think the people that limit modifciations to vehicals and motorcycles are on crack. Why on earth would be do it if it is going to be unsafe? We make thinks safer and better..... Yes they smoke crack and want people to kill them, why else would they make up such laws as they do ????????? They obviously don't care about us or our safety and prefer we stick to Halogen - can't see any thing lights. Prefer we keep our vehicals stock and not make them safer for us....



    ANY WAYS stay away from cheapo H.I.D. lights, $700-800 buck ones are not worth the time. Real ones like expensive cars use cost like $1000-1200 at least, last time I checked.
     
  12. shoteen95

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    not only does such a law seem completely illogical when educated people who perform such modifications due so for the benefit of their safety, but it also takes away another freedom car owners have had to personalize the vehicles that they bought with their hard earned money.

    That's rediculous.

    Now I could understand if they enforced some sort of mandatory vehicle inspection after you've modified your headlights, cause there are a lot of less informed people throwing in HID bulbs in their headlights that were meant for halogens. These are the types that drive down the road and blind a miles worth of traffic in the oncoming lanes, and unfortunately are ruining it for those who do it right, and do it safely.

    Also, as far as modifying headlights, i have no problem sticking with halogens after driving my dads crossfire. HID's were an option, but the halogen-projector combo in the car are still leaps and bounds better than what stock SHO owners deal with. Hell, my friends Focus has better light output and beam pattern than my SHO.

    Bah, long winded...sorry.
     
  13. 60kmaintenance

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    No it's cool shoteen. They really should have inspectors, hell $30 bucks to have your car checked over compared to a ticket would be nice. Plus the ticket makes it manditory you "fix" the vehical.

    Laws are funny though.... Like you can lower a vehical as much as you want so long as the vehical is never lower then the lowest part of the wheel. Hence the big wheel craze via California where peoples butts need reconstructed for how harsh they are on modification to vehicals. They are so mean to people with lowriders, I'd like to kick a lot of cops in the nuts and then beat their car in with their night stick, when I hear the stories I have.

    Also you HAVE to have bumpers, now a lot of people like to have their vehical, hence they remove and weld in a piece of sheet metal where the bumper was..... That's illegal to have no bumper, so what people do is they weld a pipe to the frame or what ever is behind the new sheet metal cover.....

    They just want money, they aren't using logic, they just want to be able to ticket people. They know full well that people are usually making their vehicals better and safer at the same time.

    There are some nice Halogens, unfortunaly most just plane SUCK.

    Here the real arguement. It's my vehical, I make the payments, or own it, I pay for all your revenue licensing and stuff that doesn't cost near what you charge me, I payed the INSANE taxes on the purchase of the vehical. Now your going to tell me I can't do what I want with my hard earned money to my vehical. Now they onl arguement by the four fathers logic and what they BUILT THIS COUNTRY BY AND DAMN WELL SHOULDN"T BE TAMPERED WITH, is that so long as modifiing the vehical doesn't infringe on any one elses rights, there is NO FEASIBLE REASON to EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER make a law in prevention. If the modded vehical in no way is made more dangerous, and infact more safe, it should never be put under the law book and stomped all over. If our four fathers knew they where making laws that didn't protect any ones basic rights in one way or another, they'd wish they where never responsible for creating this country. They'd be embarrased they had any thing to do with, down right disgustted, they'd cry in public.
     
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    perhaps an even better option:

    I don't know what current police regs are on this subject. But it seems logical that they should be able to pull over these clowns who've tried to convert their headlights and end up with the uber obnoxious, dangerous, and annoying hyper-blue-perma-high-beam ray of light shooting out the front of their car. I'm sure current law allows for officers to do this right? Why not fine the "clowns" with more severe penalties instead of making it simply illegal for everyone to improve their headlights- regardless of if they do it properly.

    I would like to think the officers currently on the road would be able to spot a suitable [modded] headlight compared to these hack jobs. But ya never know with some cops.

    Regardless, such a proposal is still Bull :cuss:
     
  15. Markus

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    I understand your point of view and I have no time for the "zero tolerance" crap that is increasingly restricting the freedoms of Americans. I am Canadian, BTW.

    I think the "no modifications" laws result from irresponsible people who mod their car's in a manner that is dangerous to their fellow citizens. In other words, one bad apple spoils the barrel. The crux of the problem is that many of these unsafe modifications are deemed safe by the people making them. Let's face it, the average Joe who modifies the suspension on his car really does not know what effect the changes will have on safety in emergency situations. It's very easy to mod a suspension to the point that unexpected oversteer becomes a problem when you have to brake hard and turn at the same time. Adding a strut tower brace can improve the turn in of a vehicle but what does it do in terms of changing the way front crumple zones of a vehicle work? This whole situation is really no different than rules imposed by the FCC on radio transmitters. With few exceptions no one is allowed to modify a CB radio, an FRS radio, or any other transmitter to increase its range and/or sensitivity. A normal citizen does not have the right to modify his radio. Why should that same person have a right to modify their car? I'm not talking about cosmetic mods BTW. If a car owner wishes to change its colour then by all means they should be able to do so.

    One solution to this mess would be to force the owners of modified cars to have the car tested at the owner's expense by a body authorized and qualified to do so.

    Regarding headlights, if the US government had decent headlight requirements no modifications would be needed. Let's face it, the DOT/SAE headlight minimum standards are in the dark ages. If standards were improved and automated levelling systems were mandated we could all have decent headlights without blinding on coming drivers.


    As a side note, and not intended as a flame, I wonder what your fore fathers would think of the fact that the US has more of its citizens incarcerated per capita than ANY other country in the world. Or that the US governement forbids its citizens to travel to every country in the world. US citizens are forbidden by their government to travel to Cuba, for example. Whether or not any one would actually want to travel to cuba is another matter entirely! An American friend of mine was discovered to have travelled to Cuba and was hit with a $25K fine. The Canadian government imposes no such restrictions on me. It seems to me that Americans are not quite the free people they have been led to believe they are!!!!!
     
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    Ok, to bring this back on track .... how does oil & headlights coincide? Keep this topic on track. I know the proposal sucks, I agree with you on that but now getting into war/anti-war/oil war debates is not A: productive, B: no where near the topic at hand and C: it has no place in this forum at all...

    I won't edit messages above this one as I do believe we have the right to MENTION our ideas. If the talk continues ......

    Other than that -- absolutly no political jammaring in this forum. Please take it to PM.

    Trying to head off a really nasty argument before it starts...



    :squint:




    If someone can find a CHEAP way to do it for gen 3's i'd be in
     
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    Problem solved, fragment removed to general section. Keep it on topic guys.
     
  18. ManySHOs

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    I didn't have time to read all of this thread but I saw some pretty "interesting" stuff.

    1. Yes, projectors can be retrofitted into the SHO housings. Check out the link that Adam Varney posted. Also check out Herman Anker's extremely well done FAQ on the topic (use google)

    2. You may also check out this link:

    http://riptide.servehttp.com/~ianf/HID/

    3. Retrofitting D2S projectors into housings designed for a completely different type of light is not an easy task. In fact, it's downright difficult. That's why there are laws on the books to make it illegal. Half the people on this board don't even know what's involved in retrofitting HID's yet they are spouting off about how the federal government is cutting into their civil liberties. HID ballasts draw a large amp load upon startup. If you don't upgrade your wiring, you can burn out your harness. Best case scenario is that it leaves you driving around in the dark. Worst case scenario; you might start a fire. It's also very difficult to focus the projector perfectly so that you aren't blinding people and causing accidents. If you attempt to retrofit HID's into the SHO housing without taking into account the fluted lense, you'll have a problem called lense flare. Basically, your light output will be all over the place and you'll blind people again. So, the laws on the books exist for your protection as well as mine. I can't say that I disagree with them either. If you know the risks and want to take it-go for it. There's a lot of engineering involved in making one OEM headlight. Imagine if everyone tried to modify their own in their backyards on a Sunday afternoon. There are a handful of people who have decent retrofits that work well. It takes a long time and some serious ingenuity and money to get them working safely and efficiently. I've been working on mine for some time now and have gone through 3 or 4 sets of projectors in my quest to make this look good. (BMW E46 bixenon, Hella E55 bixenon, Acura TL bixenon and now BMW E46 single xenon).

    The pictures that I posted are of E46 Bosch bi xenon projectors. They are a bit large and the solenoid wiring to operate the shutter (hi/low beam-hence bi) is complicated so I've gone down to E46 single xenon projectors (same as Audi TT). Light output is still very good. By law, the HID needs to be on the outside of the housing and a halogen high beam must be on the inside. I've since decided to clear out only the turnsignal portion of the headlight lense for the projector and leave the 9007 spot fluted for use as a high beam only)

    To tell you the truth, a 9007 harness from www.suvlights.com, a pair of silverstars and new housings are really enough for the gen2 SHO. The light output is actually quite decent with that combination and the time and money saved is amazing compared to trying to do what I'm doing.

    Ian
    D2S HID projectors on the way/LED tailight arrays installed (see sig pic)
     
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    I think I'm going to retrofit entire light housings from a '04 lincoln ls, got to measure one today and its about the same size as my gen 1 lights :)
     
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    That's only part of the story. You want to make sure that the angle of the lights is also the same or else you'll have crossed beam patterns. I'm not trying to dissuade you; I just want to point out other factors to consider as well.

    On that note, you should look at the older Lexus LS400. The headlights look to be about the same size and shape + angle as the Gen1 SHO headlight.

    I don't know for sure though.

    I've looked into headlight housing swapping on my gen2 and realized that it's more of a hassle than it intially seems. I thought that the BMW 5 series would be close but it would still require a bit of body work to get it to fit correctly. I also decided that I don't want my car to look like a Taurus with BMW headlights on it. :)

    Keep the ideas flowing though. When we become stagnant, nothing new and exciting happens. I'm not an expert by any means but I'd like to help others to avoid the mistakes that I've already made.

    Ian
     

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