Tune and thermostat

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gerryh

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I'm loading my LMS 3bar 93 tune to my 2015 SHO. I'm going to get the 160* TStat too.
Question is can I run this tune without replacing the Tstat? I'm trying not to do that much physical changes to my car if I don't have to, still under warranty.
 

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Wouldn't recommend running the tune without it, unless LMS gives their blessing. I know brucelinc does pretty well (MKS of '10-'12 vintage) without a TStat update, but most do change it out.

Will not affect warranty at all. All the TStat does is let coolant flow begin through the radiator earlier. No worries.
 

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But wouldn't cause the radiator fan to over work? Im getting one on anyways just trying to remember how to burp radiators.
 

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There is no direct connection between TStat opening temp and when fans come on. That is controlled by the PCM, and thus by the tune it is running. The tune does turn on fans earlier and runs them longer, so wear and tear should be no worse.

Others have posted onthe "burp" process. There is a Ford way of doing it:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,2280.msg56469.html#msg56469

May need to repeat a few times, or even use a Lisle Spill Free Funnel to assist. Coolant should be at COLD FULL/FULL COLD level when engine is cooled down, when all is said & done.
 

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I ran mine tuned for many miles and a good number of trips down the quarter mile with the stock thermostat. I did finally put a 160 in this year. However, Anthony at LME retained the stock fan settings on the tune that I run. Many others with the 160 have had the fans set so they don't run so much. I also have a tune where the fans turn on very early and run constantly. I have used that tune at the track a couple of times. Once fully warmed up, the temps are the same at around 185 on my MKS regardless of which thermostat is installed.

The 160 will take a bit longer to get to 185 and it will cool off a bit more quickly when you are coasting under no throttle. WOT runs through the quarter mile will raise the temps with both. Many have noted the 160 will not reach as high a temp as the stock when under WOT. With mine, I see around 210 or so regardless of which thermostat is in the car. The 160 does cool off more quickly, though, when slowing down at the end of a run. I have a 2010 MKS and a 2014 Taurus. The MKS does have a larger grill opening and tends to run a bit cooler than the Taurus when moving and air is flowing through the radiator.

As for burping, I raised the passenger side of the car and filled the bottle with the same amount that I lost when I changed the thermostat. I ran the car until it was warmed up, held it at about 2500 RPM for a few seconds, let it idle a few seconds and repeated that rev/idle process about 3 times. It sucked the new coolant into the engine and once the car cooled down, I made sure the coolant was at the max level. I checked it a few times after that and it never moved. Burping was pretty much a non-issue.
 

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I have the stock Tstat in mine and I'm running Livernois V10 93. Seems fine. Temp gauge has never gone beyond the mid point.
 

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Takes like 10 minutes to install it. Just do what Bruce said to burp it and you will be fine
 

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Do you guys swapped out the Tstat when you take it in for service? Seems like a big hassle considering the questionable gains. But, I don't drag race, so I'm not looking for the last tenth.
 

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I do all of my own service but I wouldn't exchange the thermostat for a dealer visit. There is no way to tell what is in the car unless you pull the thermostat and read the temp stamped on it.
 

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I ran mine tuned for many miles and a good number of trips down the quarter mile with the stock thermostat. I did finally put a 160 in this year. However, Anthony at LME retained the stock fan settings on the tune that I run. Many others with the 160 have had the fans set so they don't run so much. I also have a tune where the fans turn on very early and run constantly. I have used that tune at the track a couple of times. Once fully warmed up, the temps are the same at around 185 on my MKS regardless of which thermostat is installed.

The 160 will take a bit longer to get to 185 and it will cool off a bit more quickly when you are coasting under no throttle. WOT runs through the quarter mile will raise the temps with both. Many have noted the 160 will not reach as high a temp as the stock when under WOT. With mine, I see around 210 or so regardless of which thermostat is in the car. The 160 does cool off more quickly, though, when slowing down at the end of a run. I have a 2010 MKS and a 2014 Taurus. The MKS does have a larger grill opening and tends to run a bit cooler than the Taurus when moving and air is flowing through the radiator.

As for burping, I raised the passenger side of the car and filled the bottle with the same amount that I lost when I changed the thermostat. I ran the car until it was warmed up, held it at about 2500 RPM for a few seconds, let it idle a few seconds and repeated that rev/idle process about 3 times. It sucked the new coolant into the engine and once the car cooled down, I made sure the coolant was at the max level. I checked it a few times after that and it never moved. Burping was pretty much a non-issue.
Thanks for the reply. I ordered the 160 but the tunes I was sent was just for the 3bar map stock tstat. Due I need to update my tuner for when I install 160 tstat?
 

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Yes, because otherwise the radiator fans will turn on as they would with an OEM tune.
 

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