TopGunnYFZ
Active Member
Wheres it at lol ill take my gen 1 there for a quote and see what they say.
Paint and body work project log.
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Wavemagnet
New Member
Vehicles are considered "throwaway" items these days. Most people do not maintain vehicles to last 15 or 20 years, but alot of them drive like jackasses. The shops no longer have people who were once considered restorers but now just techs with no passion for their craft.
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gmail
Well-Known Member
after skimming threw i say you need to throw their name around let people know about how they turned you down
JRA2000TL
The Complainer
You just have to find guys that work out of their house or find people at these body shops that are thinking about going out on their own. Lots in that line of work get sick of working for someone else and are ambitious to work for themselves. They may pull you to the side and offer to paint your car. It gives them a chance to prove their work, and you will probably get a decent price on a paint job. Word of mouth is the best way to find these guys. Talk to auto repair shops, dealerships, etc. (people that know others in that line of work).
silverknight
i race taurus?
took my 93 atx over to dearborn collission on ford rd. they pretty much told me the same thing, the car isnt worth the effort, spend it on maintnence. car at that point had 4k in new parts.
93rev2sev
SHO Member
On my way home from work, I decided to go a bit out of my way and I swung by a body shop IN Melvindale (go Figure) that still had the roll up doors open...the only one I've been able to find open past 5:00.
Anyway, I told him I had a 90 Taurus in the lot for him to look at. We rounded the corner of his building, he lifted his head and said "Oh. a SHO, lets have a look". He gave me a decent quote.
So I found someone to paint it...now I get to research and find out if he's any good.
Anyway, I told him I had a 90 Taurus in the lot for him to look at. We rounded the corner of his building, he lifted his head and said "Oh. a SHO, lets have a look". He gave me a decent quote.
So I found someone to paint it...now I get to research and find out if he's any good.
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93rev2sev
SHO Member
On second thought, I think I'll ask him for permission to review his shop in an online forum. 
93rev2sev
SHO Member
So I found an old coot on craigslist that did body work for 30 years for a shop and now he runs an auto restoration business out of his garage. He even has a website that one of his satisfied "hipster" customers made for him. He spoke intelligently (big bonus), and even though he uses single stage paint, I'm going to take it to him.
www.HANKSAUTORESTORATIONS.COM
His slogan ROCKS!
Rusted afar?
I'll restore your old car!
www.HANKSAUTORESTORATIONS.COM
His slogan ROCKS!
Rusted afar?
I'll restore your old car!
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green95
green95
If the car is important to you, then its worth the money. You may not get your money back when you sell it, but thats part of owning a car. I always hear crap about why I want to fix a 15 year old Taurus, but its my car, I like it, and will do what i want with my SHO. Next for the car is the paint job.
It is in fact the economy.
A freind of mine has owned two body shops in northwestern NJ. He moved from a three bay shop to a eight bay shop about five years ago, a million dollar investment. I almost thought he was't going to make it due to the shops somewhat remote location.
Enter Depression 2.0 (and no, I don't care that they are calling it the Great Recession). Everyone is hanging on to their older cars, and are suddenly willing to get them fixed up rather than throw them away and trade in for a brandy new one. In the past 18 months my friend's business has gone through the roof - his backlog is six times greater than it was two years ago - he has reached the physical limit of his parkling lot to store cars waiting for body work.
It is so bad that I can't get in to get one of my rides painted . . . and I would bre preping the car myself.
The key to any paint job is prep work. Learn how to prep the car yourself, get a DA sander, take care of all the dings, carefully mask everything off or remove - then take it to Maaco for the top coats and infrared curing in their paint booth.
A freind of mine has owned two body shops in northwestern NJ. He moved from a three bay shop to a eight bay shop about five years ago, a million dollar investment. I almost thought he was't going to make it due to the shops somewhat remote location.
Enter Depression 2.0 (and no, I don't care that they are calling it the Great Recession). Everyone is hanging on to their older cars, and are suddenly willing to get them fixed up rather than throw them away and trade in for a brandy new one. In the past 18 months my friend's business has gone through the roof - his backlog is six times greater than it was two years ago - he has reached the physical limit of his parkling lot to store cars waiting for body work.
It is so bad that I can't get in to get one of my rides painted . . . and I would bre preping the car myself.
The key to any paint job is prep work. Learn how to prep the car yourself, get a DA sander, take care of all the dings, carefully mask everything off or remove - then take it to Maaco for the top coats and infrared curing in their paint booth.
SHOmethewayhome
BAD ROLE MODEL
i like this plan.
93rev2sev
SHO Member
I gave that some thought but I decided that I didn't want to start body work, sand down to the steel (in places), take off trim and window seals and whatnot and then drive the car where it might sit outside for a while.
I also need a windshield, so I would not be able to complete the prep work, either way. I want the windshield pulled prior to body work and replaced after paint.
I also need a windshield, so I would not be able to complete the prep work, either way. I want the windshield pulled prior to body work and replaced after paint.
93rev2sev
SHO Member
As you might see, I've edited the title of this thread. My plans have not changed, I'm still going to have my car painted. But I've decided that I need to do some of the prep work myself (and in fact, I WANT to do it myself). Maybe not all of it, but a large portion. I think the condition of the paint is making it look like there's more work involved than there really is. Body men in Michigan are not use to seeing this type of damage.
Since beginning my research, I have found several reputable body shops, hot rod shops, independant back yard body men, etc..
If I were to drop my car off in it's current condition, and let a body shop "do what they do", I've learned that I can expect a 2-stage (base/clear) paint job, using PPG paints to cost at least $2000. At this price, I've also learned that I can expect sub-par body work. More than one body shop gave me the impression that the car needs nearly $5000 to be brought back to it's 1990 appearance. That's just not right.
So, As soon as I have the room in my garage, I can start this project in earnest. From this point forward, this thread will be about preparing the car for a professional spray booth using PPG Base/Clear.
Three of the bodymen that I spoke with told me that they get no special pricing from Painter's Supply so I'll be purchasing ALL of the paint/sealer/primer/sand paper/masking paper/tack rags/etc.. myself and supplying the body shop with everything they need (except a steady hand on the paint gun).
My goal?
Get my car professionally sprayed for less than $500.
I'll be updating this thread as I go, so stay tuned.
Since beginning my research, I have found several reputable body shops, hot rod shops, independant back yard body men, etc..
If I were to drop my car off in it's current condition, and let a body shop "do what they do", I've learned that I can expect a 2-stage (base/clear) paint job, using PPG paints to cost at least $2000. At this price, I've also learned that I can expect sub-par body work. More than one body shop gave me the impression that the car needs nearly $5000 to be brought back to it's 1990 appearance. That's just not right.
So, As soon as I have the room in my garage, I can start this project in earnest. From this point forward, this thread will be about preparing the car for a professional spray booth using PPG Base/Clear.
Three of the bodymen that I spoke with told me that they get no special pricing from Painter's Supply so I'll be purchasing ALL of the paint/sealer/primer/sand paper/masking paper/tack rags/etc.. myself and supplying the body shop with everything they need (except a steady hand on the paint gun).
My goal?
Get my car professionally sprayed for less than $500.
I'll be updating this thread as I go, so stay tuned.
Eric VerValin
PiMPSKiLLET
One of the J/Y's in town installs windshield glass on site, and its about 1/2 what a new one is... not sure if you were looking for "new" or not. And check your PM's... I might know someone who can help ya.
sperold
Last to Know
The cost of the paint itself is going to surprise you.
Also there is a move afoot that paint is going to a water-based chemistry, which muddies the water.
The reason that the price is high concerning damage and dent/rust repair is because the shop is really incapable of doing it. Seems sad, but it is true. No matter how many people you see around the shop, you will be blessed to find one that can actually repair a panel. All the others can hang a new panel... at best. Which means that 1/2 of the car is off limits to them.
So they have to funnel all their work by one guy... who takes the occassional bender and disappears for awhile.
Find that one good guy who went out on his own, usually because he wasn't being paid any more than the taper was getting paid.
Good luck.
Also there is a move afoot that paint is going to a water-based chemistry, which muddies the water.
The reason that the price is high concerning damage and dent/rust repair is because the shop is really incapable of doing it. Seems sad, but it is true. No matter how many people you see around the shop, you will be blessed to find one that can actually repair a panel. All the others can hang a new panel... at best. Which means that 1/2 of the car is off limits to them.
So they have to funnel all their work by one guy... who takes the occassional bender and disappears for awhile.
Find that one good guy who went out on his own, usually because he wasn't being paid any more than the taper was getting paid.
Good luck.
93rev2sev
SHO Member
No it won't.
As far as the waterborne stuff...This is Detroit. Not Sacrementos : "fresh and full of life".
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sho_ted
SHO Member
PPG base and clear will cost 200-300 alone.
93rev2sev
SHO Member
Without a doubt. I'd even venture to guess that it'll be more than $300 for the paint. Plus sealer, surfacer, etc.. I'm well aware of the cost of materials.
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