Interesting fact about the keys to your SHO.

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  1. shoisfast

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    when I bought my car the trunk key did not work so off to a locksmith . he also said that ford makes a ignition that is bound to break as it has a weak pin in it . so anyway he keyed the new ignition as the doors replaced the trunk lock to work with my existing key and all for less than $60 whats funny is my wifes 93 will start my car but will not open the doors but my key will not work on hers at all?
     
  2. JoeHoe_SHO

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    Off subject a little

    I know a kid with a early 90s Foxbody that can open the trunk and doors of my 89 with his key.

    And one time I locked my keys in my GL and this guy with an older F-250 opened my doors.

    Freaky.
     
  3. SHOkid13

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    Just a few weeks ago a friend locked his keys in his '04 Ranger, my "blank" ignition key unlocked his door. Later that night, I locked my keys in my car (doh!) and his door key wouldn't work because it was wider and wouldn't even fit in the key-hole.
     
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    My 89 keys fell out of the ignition while driving (and were no longer required to start the car), I think the ignitions just wear out...as far as a trunk key - I can't ever remember having a trunk key - heck with the keyless entry and a worn ignition - I wouldn't even need a key or the FOB....

    Ryan 95 ATX
     
  5. FordLover

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    My 92 Explorer key (only one key for the whole truck) will open the door on my friends 92 SHO, haven't tried the ignition, since I figgure it won't work.
    -Martin
     
  6. freshv6power

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    Does this key thing work for Gen 3's? I have two '98 Slo's and want to carry one key for both cars
     
  7. hondas hate me

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    this will work great on my car. b/c i have 3 keys 1 for the ign. 1 for the doors and 1 for the trunk. thanks man!
     
  8. SHOkid13

    SHOkid13 Take it to the track

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    freshv6 power: This doesn't make it so you can carry one key for two cars. This makes it so that those of us with 2 keys (due to replaced ignitions or door locks), can re-cut the keys to work for both the door and the ignition, as different parts of the key correspond with the different applications.

    hondas hate me: You will still need 2 keys, fyi. As the trunk key is different.
     
  9. Keith M

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    My cylinder must be close to wearing out, as I can very easily pull out the key when the engine is running! I look at it as sort of a feature - I can leave the car running, but locked. Might come in handy someday, e.g. to keep the a/c or heat going while running into a store for whatever.... :)
     
  10. SHOkid13

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    I have two keys right now, so I have been known to do that sometimes... people look at me funny sometimes... but, I understand. That's the important thing. ;)
     
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    My key can be removed while the car is running and the car can be started with no key at all....hehehehe
     
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    I wouldn't tell anyone that...

    PS - Where do you live? ;)
     
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    Hey Mine too, but I need to try and do it. If I don't turn it quite all the way then I can do this. If I turn it completly back then I have to use the key. :cool:
     
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    A little trick for folks who want a two car ignition/door key but don't want to lose too much of the "convenience" feature of a double sided, single car key is to make a little epoxy or silicone button on one side of the plastic, say the side facing you with the key in the ignition of your favored car. Then you just have to feel for the dot with your thumb to know you've got the right orientation. Beats taking a 50/50 chance.

    Haven't done the key trick but if I do I'll make sure to make a little button sized dot on one side.
     
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    WOW, I just got 4 Ford blank keys from eBay. I have 3 Fords right now. Now I can get a 4th. Or get rid of 1? 1 key for 2 cars, or 2 keys for 4? Hmm? :confused:
     
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    An electronic version of the same issue....

    Ok, I feel compelled to jump in on this one due to a recent success with a similar related connundrum. I have a 98 windstar which sleeps with my red 95 MTX (don't ask). Anyway, While snowblowing last winter, the key fob for the winny fell out of my sweatshirt pocket and I never heard (loud snowblower) or saw it, so I inadvertantly blew it into about 25 pieces. About two weeks later, after snowmelt, I found everything but one tiny case fragment. I reassembled it to no avail (hey- the circuit board wasn't even scratched). I thought I was condemned to twist unlocking every time I took my kids somewhere. However, upon further review....

    It turns out that one remote (fob) can actually sometimes operate two separate Ford vehicles. What you have to know is the particular "code learning" process for each vehicle. In my case it didn't even matter that the fobs were a bit different (SHO - 4 button, winny 3 button). Here's what I did....

    First I found the process for the winny by searching a windstar forum much like this one. Here's how to program a fob to talk to a 98 windstar:
    Windstar: Insert key into ignition, turn to "on" position and back to full off 5x within a 10 second period and leave in the "on" position. The doors will automatically lock for you to indicate the start of the "learn mode". Now the vehicle is ready to learn up to as many as 4 different fobs. You can press the unlock button on the fob for the windstar, then try any other fob (I then used the lock button on the SHO fob). When you've done this for as many as 4 fobs, turn the ignition to full off and the autolocks will fire again to indicate the end of the "learning mode". Worked for me like a charm!

    Then, I got to thinkin, "hey, the wife doesn't have a fob for the SHO - I wonder...." So after a little research on this forum, I found the method posted by Rockledge for Gen 1-2 SHO's....:thumb:
    Now both of our remotes work both cars! Good thing I don't need to lock them at home (they both lock simeltaenously).

    HTH...Ron
     
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    keys and locks

    ok guys, im a locksmith for starters so dont think im talking out of my ass. if u decide u want to cut 2 keys onto 1 it has to be pre 96 and can NOT have the pats system. after 96 they changed the "style" of lock and keys they used. not only would the keys not work at all on either vehicle unless the cuts were so close that it could slip by, but because of the pats system that key has to be programmed to that specific vehicle, therefore u could not program it to work for 2 cars. pre 96, yes u can do it but for the doors all the tumblers are running off the bottom of the lock and for the ignition it is opposite, they run on the top of the lock. also ull see that theres 10 cuts on all pre 96 keys. the first 6 from the bow of the key are used for the doors. the last six from the tip are for the ignition. i know that makes 12 but the middle 2 overlap and are the same in both locks. after 96 they used an 8 cut system. if u guys have any questions about the locks or keys on any car u own not just sho's message me and i will do what i can to help u out wether it be getting u new ones for cheaper or just walking u through how to get it out or how they work.
     
  18. jesshasasho

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    What an interesting and informative thing to post :)

    Besides my 94 SHO, I also have an 87 TBird TC and an 88 Tbird TC. One day I asked my boyfriend to fix the brake calipers on the 87, but I didn't realize I had given him the keys to the 88, and neither did he, because they are identical sets of keys. He used the key I gave him to put it in the garage, and the 88 key started the 87! When he was done, he tried to take it back out of the garage but the key wouldn't work. Wouldn't even turn in the ignition. I looked at my keys then and realized I had given him the wrong one. We have never been able to make the wrong key work in either car again. Very odd! He must have gotten it in there just right on the first try.

    I'm going to mention the double-sided key thing to him. Between the two of us, we own 7 cars and 5 of them have the big blue oval. I have my tbirds and my SHO and he has two probes, a 91 and a 93. Maybe we can cut down on keys! I had to go this weekend and buy those color ring things that go on the top of the key and I now have all my keys color-coded because I have so many that say ford on them!

    On a side-note, is it very common for the SHO tumblers to get out of line or for the ignition to turn without a key? I noticed many people here commented about it. I thought for sure my car had been broken into at some point before I bought it. You can turn the ignition into the AUX position and almost all the way to start with no key, but it misaligns the tumblers and then you have to put the key in it and line it back up to get the ignition to turn all the way to start.
     
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    This is also possible. I was out having dinner with a buddy of mine with his Ford F150. When we were leaving a woman had locked her keys in her 95 Mustang. We helped her out for about 45 min with a coat hanger when my buddy got the bright idea to try his F150 key in her door and it unlocked it. We were shocked.
     
  20. SoonerLS

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    I don't know about the physical cuts of the key, but I don't see why the key can't be programmed to two cars. I'm not sure about the versions of PATS used in the Taurii, but, as I understand it, in the version of PATS in the LS, when you "program" the key, all you're really doing is storing the transponder code for the key in the PCM's memory, authorizing it to start the car.

    Since the PCMs of different cars are completely separate, unlinked systems, you should, at least in theory, be able to program the same key to work in two different cars. Hmm...I wonder if my Explorer's key will fit in the LS's lock... :evilgrin: (Actually, I'm pretty sure they're using different versions of PATS...)
     
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